Long 360DTC Hyd/Start problem

[StickMan]

OK, I originally had this in someone else's post, but decided it would be better to be in its own. I have done some digging in the forum, but couldn't locate an answer to most of these issues.

I've got a Long Agribusiness 360 DTC (now called Farmtrac ?) made by LG with a 5140 FEL that started losing hydraulic fluid through a leaking hose recently. While using it this weekend, it began spraying out with every move of the bucket - time to get it fixed. Found the culprit, tightened the fittings, stopped the leak and need to service the hydraulics. Now comes the problem.

I assumed the hydraulics could be serviced under the tunnel between my legs, but when I pulled the cover, it looked like it was just access to the top of the tranny. Standard bolt-on housing cover. No dipstick, no filler plug.

Looked several places and did not see an obvious fill spot, but found what appears to be a sight glass on the rear axle housing (no visible fluid) so decided to park it and ask on here. Next problem. The tractor will start, but as soon as I release the key to the run position, it sounds like a fuel solenoid clicking and the engine shuts down. It will start and run in the start position every time, but as soon as the key is released it shuts down. (For a compact tractor, they ain't light to push by hand into the barn!!!) Now, the only electrical that I messed with at the same time was pulling and checking all the fuses since my lights don't work either.

So, my questions since I don't even have a poor quality shop manual referred to in another thread:

1. Is there a low-hydraulic sensor that will keep the engine from running if the fluid is too low?

2. Is my assumption correct that the tranny, axles, and hydraulics are all operated/lubricated from the same common reservoir - ie, the case?

3. Where might I find the location to service the hydraulics?

4. And (maybe the dumbest question), what hydraulic fluid to service with? Found a reference in another post that metioned "tractor hydraulic oil" and the name brand, "AGCO Permatran 831XL transmission and hydraulic oil." Is this or other comparable oil correct?

5. Guess I should add one more - if no dipstick, how do I know when it is full? The sight glass?

Thanks for the help.

 

[glgdiggs]

I have the same tractor loader. My dipstick is in the raised portion of the floor. It has a small "T" handle and you pull it straight up. The hole left from the dipstick removal is where you fill the trans/hydraulic system. It appears your key switch may be bad and as you release it from the start position the fuel selenoid is shutting down or since the problem appeared after messing with the fuses you may want to revisit that area.

 

[StickMan]

Sorry, I mis-typed. Mine is a Long Agribusiness "LandTrac" 360DTC. Maybe LandTrac vs. FarmTrac is the difference as there is no t-handle dipstick in the tunnel - just a cover over an access plate on the top of the case. Still could not locate an obvious hydraulic servicing location. It's got me stumped at this point.

Also, I tried working with the electrical again last night and even went so far as installing a jumper wire in place of the fuse (just in case I had a bad fuse that wasn't obvious). The result was the same. Cranks and starts fine, but shuts off immediately when released to the "run" position. Not dies - shuts off!

In my gut, I'm still leaning toward the two being connected. Although I am not tractor savvy - especially with this tractor, I have worked on cars and trucks for many years. This reminds me of the old Vegas that had an oil sensor that would shut off the engine if the oil pressure got too low, in order to keep from ruining the engine. It just seems too coincidental that I lost a considerable amount of hydraulic fluid that just happens to be from a common sump with the brakes, axles, tranny, etc. and now the engine won't keep running.

Has anybody got a line on a manual for this machine? I would hope that even a poor manual is better than no manual.

 

[glgdiggs]

Mine is a Landtrac 360 DTC.

 

[StickMan]

OK, mea culpa, glgdiggs. You were right, it was the fuse. Who'da thunk that not only the installed fuse, but the one in the spare position were both bad, but weren't obviously blown. And that we could start the tractor to move it forward, mess with the hydraulics and fuses, and then not be able to restart it to back it up.

I changed out every fuse on the tractor with new ones and now the engine stays running. BTW, the fuse that is labeled 'key' is the one that allows the engine to remain running after the key returns to the run position. Any hey! My lights all now work, too.

I still need to service the hydraulics though. The only dipstick I found anywhere on this tractor is the oil dipstick on the side of the block. I took the camera down and snapped some pictures of the tractor, the ID plate, the tunnel, the sight glass on the differential housing, etc., but I left the memory card home today. I was hoping the 'picture paints a thousand words' would help someone point me in the right direction.

The only place that seems to resemble something I'm used to seeing where you can add gear lube is a square-drive pipe plug on top of the front axle housing on the right side. There is no such plug on the left side, and no plugs on the rear axle housing.

Like I said, I'm not familiar with this tractor, but at this point this seems to be the only logical place I can find to put universal hyd fluid into this machine.

P.S. - now that the dash lights all work, I'm seeing a new idiot light displaying on the right side. I'm assuming it to be low-hyd fluid light, but can't be sure.

 

[Tex5String]

Hey Stickman, I just followed an advertising link on TractorByNet for sundownertractor: they want abour $95 for a downloaded manual. Check it out:

Downloadable Manuals

I have a Farmtrac 535 and the little user's manual is like a comic book. I'd like to get a real service manual, but on my dialup connection I wouldn't try to download anything bigger than 1 MB.

 

[StickMan]

Thanks for the link Tex. I followed it and, wouldn't you know, my 360DTC isn't listed on any of the service manuals or supplements. The website might be a good place for me to browse, though. Maybe it's listed somewhere else or under another name - Farmtrac, Landtrac, Long, Escort, LG, LS... I get so confused.

On a side note, I found another website where someone else complained about not finding where to fill the hydraulics on this exact tractor. The answer he got from another user was basically, "...I disconnect the [bucket] hose and fill there, you are going to have to make an elbow to fill...". Now, I have seen a return line on the rear of the tractor, but I sure wouldn't have thought to remove that line in order to fill her, but if that's what it takes, that's what I'll do.

Thanks again for the link.

 

[StickMan]

I figured I would update this post (and I finally remembered to download the photos off the camera).

Still not confirmed through anything other than second hand info, but it appears to service the hydraulics on this particular tractor (see photo), you have to disconnect the return line above and right of the PTO (see photo - sorry for it being so out of focus), and use the sight glass to the left of the PTO to determine level.

There is no dipstick nor any way to service the hydraulics on the raised portion between my feet (see photo with cover removed).

Bottom line, I didn't lose as much fluid as I thought I had. Everything is working like it should, and I am still happy with this machine compared to what I had in the past.

Thanks for all the info you all post here. You guys rock.

 

[morgocon]

Hey Stickman - I just bought a 2000 Landtrac 360DTC w/700 hours - FEL and BH for attachments. Just went through a few hours down - tracked to a bad ground - found a couple of bad fuses in mine too!

I have a feeling us Landtrac owners need to stick together - haven't been able to find a shop manual either - the owner's manual is pretty minimal.

I'm pretty new to this forum stuff but I noticed there is no "landtrac" brand thread - I wonder if we could start one - find a pool of owners to keep each other abreast of problems/solutions/opportunities/uses etc - what do you think? I'm off to read some "dumbest thing I ever did w/my tractor posts" !

 

[wikinger]

hey fellows this tractor was built by the guys,that gave us the Yugo car,nuff said.