Rotary Cutter Bush Hog vs. American Farmland vs. King Kutter

   / Bush Hog vs. American Farmland vs. King Kutter #11  
jbrumberg said:
Pat

I agree with you about sailors being more conservative :).

Pat do you sail?

Not recently but I have had three sailboats: 17 ft twin bilge keel Silhouette (sloop) from England (1 1/2 HP inboard aux), a 6 HP aux powered 25 ft sloop (Coronado 25 with combination fixed keel and heavy steel dagger board on a winch), and a Columbia 34 Mk II sloop (slutter really.) I have sailed on and raced several other boats and lived aboard for nine years when in San Diego.

A friend of mine brought me a day sailer on a trailer(long term loan, the boat is a Corsar) a few months ago but I haven't had a chance to get sails for it and put it in the water. It is collecting dust in my hay barn.

I have sailed Hawaii. I have sailed from Acapulco north up the coast. I have sailed into and out of most of the ports from Point Conception to San Diego and the Channel Islands (Catalina etc.) While in a USCG Aux Flotilla I volunteered to teach sailing, seamanship, and small boat handling several times in evening classes so as to not interfere with SAR work which was more exciting. Most of my off shore racing experience was overnighters off the coast of SOCAL or down to a Mexican finish line. I liked the San Diego to Ensenada race about as much as any.

My boating is confined mostly now to canoing in some of my larger ponds and the occasional time when I will let my wife talk me into going out in her peddle boat with her.

I was fortunate that my wife enjoyed sailing and living aboard. Even in a storm where I was surfing our 34 at speeds in excess of 14kts she would go below and make me soup or a snack. What a sport! She too did 10 years in Coastal SAR in San Diego.

Pat
 
   / Bush Hog vs. American Farmland vs. King Kutter #12  
i have this 5ft KK rotary. i think it is well made. the sides are nice thick "I" beam with good reinforcements on the deck. Not sure if this is the same KK that you are talking about or not. i also like the fact that the tail wheel is closer making an over all shorter unit. i looked at Bush hogs but i just didnt care for the tail wheel being another 4 feet past the end of the shredder.
 
   / Bush Hog vs. American Farmland vs. King Kutter #13  
Different strokes for different folks. I have never seen a KK that would qualify for HD. Maybe sort of medium duty at best. BUT if it is good enough for your tasks that is what counts!

The tail wheel extended out back helps make up for the short wheel base of tractors in general and is to help prevent the mowing deck from being raised and lowered too abruptly as the tractor traverses uneven terrain. That is the idea, anyway.

It is obvious what will happen if the tail wheel is in a low spot while the tractor is in a low spot and the blades are over a high spot. I have lots of places where my mower has acted like a rotary blade dozer!

Pat
 
   / Bush Hog vs. American Farmland vs. King Kutter #14  
I purchased a 6' King Kutter Rotary Brush Mower, used it twice and returned it. Luckily they fully refunded my money. It was vibrating the tractor and the last time used the gear box was wining. I didn't finish mowing because I was afraid it was going to blow!

I then researched all of the mowers I could lay my eyes on and purchased a Woods BB72X. It is sooooo much better than the King Kutter, but it was close to 3X the price. It's worth it to me to spend the money if I don't have to worry about it though.
 
   / Bush Hog vs. American Farmland vs. King Kutter #15  
CentralNC said:
My Dad was a die hard Bush Hog user. All of our farm implements were Bush Hog brand and they lasted forever. We still have (at my Dad's place) an old 5ft Bush Hog that is at least 25 years old and it still works. We used these mowers a lot and they were absolutely abused.

I need to purchase a rotary cutter for use in clearing off some land we just purchased. I would expect to cut trees in the 1-2" category with the rotary mower. Anything larger would get a chain saw. Most of the land is covered in tall, thick grass. I am stuck on deciding which rotary mower to buy. The choices are a Bush Hog Squealer 160 (5') or an American Farmland 5' cutter from Southern States. The BH is $1250 and the AF is $700.

My thoughts are that they BH is a much better mower, but I could buy 2 of the AF (or King Kutter) mowers at those prices. I am also worried that I could wreck any new mower in doing what I need to do with the initial cut. Once I get the land cut and cleared....either mower should do a decent job in maintaining it. King Kutters are also available at Tractor Supply in the $700 price range.

I guess this is the classic "good" vs. "good enough" arguement. Any thoughts or comments? I appreciate your advice.

I just recently purchased a rotary cutter and went through the process of searching what one to buy. I looked at Bushhog, Woods, Rhino, King Kutter and what was available at Tractor Supply Company.

Bushhog, Woods and Rhino all offered a 5 year warranty on the gear box. They ranged in pricing for a four foot rotary mower from $975 to $1,250 (the Rhino was a five foot mower). I liked the Rhino, but thought the weight would be too much for my tractor.

I also looked a King Kutter and it was a lighter unit, but seemed to be strong enough for what I needed for my property. I went to the newly opened TSC store in New Hampshire and they had all of the literature on the KK rotary mower on hand, but no equipment. It was a case of having to order it and wait and see what it looked like. So I went ahead and ordered it from TSC.

It took less than two weeks to get here and I when I went down and to pick it up I was informed it was a distributed item by Tarter Gate and that is why it had the Farm Force logo on the side. Had no idea who Tarter Gate was!

I was a bit upset with the situation and after it was loaded on my trailer I went into the service desk to discuss a few things regarding the poor manual and no parts list! The salesman called Tarter Gate and put me on the phone with them. At that point I told the woman that I had just purchased a KK rotary mower and wanted to know what size and grade shear bolt was I to use with it. She immediately told me that I had called the wrong company! The salesman told me to say it was a Farm Force, which I did and she immediately told me it was a 31/2 inch grade two bolt! Turns out that the bolt with the mower is a grade 5 bolt!

The mower being sold by TSC, (the Farm Force) is manufactured by Tarter Gate only for Tractor Supply Company. I believe it is the same as American Farmland model that Tarter Gate manufactures to sale under their name, but not sure if they are the same or not.

As for warranty the American Farmland seems to have a one-year limited warranty and no mention of any additional warranty on the gearbox. The Farm Force does not mention any warranty and although I have requested this information from Tractor Supply Company as of this writing I have not been contacted by the store with warranty information.

Physically, the American Farmland and the King Kutter look almost the same. The one difference I see is the support arms for the upper link. Down at the base of the front arms on the KK there is an additional support bracket that attached to the arms and the platform of the cutter.

I decided to just go ahead and keep the mower as it is doing a good job and I just did not want to arrange to bring it back to them once I got it home. The price was right at $700 and I figure it will serve my needs.

If you are into having good operators manuals, parts manuals then you should really be careful and ask TSC about the warranty, and to see the manuals.
 
   / Bush Hog vs. American Farmland vs. King Kutter #16  
Cutting trees in the 1-2 inch range is going to kill a KK mower (or any LD mower for that matter). If they are hardwood trees, 1" or a little more is going to be a real challenge. The long unsupported blades will bend and break. The small stump jumper is a joke, for that application.

The Medium duty woods BB600 (5' wide) or BB720 (6' wide) will cut 2" oak trees, 3 maple and 4 inch soft woods. It is only spec'ed for 2". I am going ot say that equivalent MD cutters will probably perform about the same. MD cutters in the 5' range will weigh about 1000# and 6' will be about 1200#without chains. A typical LD 5' cutter is 5-600 pound, with the better ones up into the 750 range.


Things to compare.

Blade dimensions. You want a thick, wide and short blade so it is strong, heavy and resistant to bending.

Stump Jumper pan. You want wide, thick and heavy.

Blade retention bar. The support bar on the inside of the pan - you want it to be wide, thick and heavy. The heavier that bar+pan are the more rotating inertia you have. That means less power down when you start shredding trees and thick brush.

Deck thickness. Thicker is stronger. You also want it smooth on top to help shed debris that holds water and promotes rust. Less of a concern if you shed it.

Side rails. Replaceable wear skids on the bottom will make it last longer. Non-commercial use probably makes it a non-factor.

Tail wheel support. You want to be able to back into a 4" tree and push it over so it can be cut up. A wimpy wheel support will bend and that's no good!

Protection - You want chains front and rear to slow and deflect thrown objects.

I'm happy with my BB600 behind a 28 PTO HP 3000# tractor. (4000# with FEL attached). I wouldn't want to go to the 6', unless the tractor was larger.

People don't realize that KK also has a MD and HD line of cutters. I seem to recall that the HD is really closer to a Bushog or Woods MD, but still a lot better than the LD stuff. Other companies also have better quality units, but you have to ask for them.

jb
 
   / Bush Hog vs. American Farmland vs. King Kutter #17  
I have a Bush Hog 5' Razorback and I'm happy with it except it's not Quick-Hitch compatible, and BH has shown no interest in making an adapter kit. I've made a temporary one; but hope to make a permanent QH adapter before next mowing season.

BH doesn't answer their emails and the local dealer told me that they have told BH to make a QH adapter over and over again.
 
   / Bush Hog vs. American Farmland vs. King Kutter #18  
john_bud said:
People don't realize that KK also has a MD and HD line of cutters. I seem to recall that the HD is really closer to a Bushog or Woods MD, but still a lot better than the LD stuff. Other companies also have better quality units, but you have to ask for them.

jb

I have never seen a KK RC except the LD models BUT if their MD or HD brush cutters are as much a step up as their better disks are compared to the light weight yellow painted model then they might be good stuff. I have a sort of maroon and black KK brand disk which is as HD as any disk its size I have seen. In fact I didn't even realize it was a KK brand, I bought it for its robust construction and didn't realize it was the "dreaded el cheapo" KK brand till later. IT is quite robust, works well, and should last a long time.

I guess we have to be careful abuot stereotyping equipment by brand.

Pat
 
   / Bush Hog vs. American Farmland vs. King Kutter #19  
I have a 72" KK rotary mower. I'll be the first to admit the welds and paint job are poor, but it is a fairly heavy 'light duty' mower. It weighs 700 pounds. I routinely cut 1 - 2" trees and brush. If I can bend them to get over them, it will shred them without a problem. I have hit rocks the size of volleyballs, and split them into pieces (along with chipping the blades). I've used it to gradually take control of my 18 acre field. It had lots of ruts, rocks, and scrub trees, but now is going back into a natural prairie. I saved a lot of money buying the KK knowing I would beat it hard for a few years. It could die on me soon, but it could also last me for many years now that it has a cleaner field to mow. When it does wear out, I will definitely compare the KK cutters to the others again.
 
   / Bush Hog vs. American Farmland vs. King Kutter #20  
My HD cutter by Cimmaron not KK has routinely been used on trees up to 4-5 inches in diameter, including elm, several species of oak, pecan, cedar, etc. I have to back up top the tree, elevate the cutter with lift arms and hydraulic top lift and back inti the tree. Then I slowly lower the cutter to "eat" the tree right down to the ground. For the largest I attack I have to rev the tractor up to actual PTO speed (540RMP on PTO and about 2600 for the 40 HP Kubota) Sometimes I kill the engine but not very often. The cutter has put up with this for over 5 years. I did bend the HD metal by backing into too large of trees but it was bent back into place and rewelded.

A friend of mine has a very light duty cutter by JD and he is careful to not ask much more of it that a lawn mower. He doesn't go after anything much larger in diameter than your thumb. It seems to handle thumb thick persimmons and oaks about as well as mine handles wrist sized ones.

Pat
 
 
 
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