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    Default Re: Harbor Freight Back Hoe Trencher?

    I bought a Woods BH6000 off of Craigslist for $2800. It was literally used once to repair the guys stone wall. My Yanmar 186D is virtually identical in size to your 650. This backhoe is the perfect size for our tractors. Now, i did spend several hundred more having hoses made and getting steel cut to build my subframe (i have a welder and built the subframe myself). I strongly suggest you be patient and keep looking. I have heard many times those small diggers pull themselves all over the place because they won't stay planted (at least in soil similar to mine). There are plenty of Woods 650s out there..... scour classified ads and be patient. I looked at PLENTY of worn out, patched up JUNK before i found this. PATIENCE !!



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    Default Re: Harbor Freight Back Hoe Trencher?

    I used a "TOE HOE" from Northern Tools for about 15 years, dug lots of water lines, a couple of thousand feet of irrigation lines, sprinkler lines, maintained waterlines at two rental trailers, Water and power trenches for my church and finally blew out three hydraulic cylinders digging drainage lines at our church. I finally Broke down and bought a Korean 7600 for my kubota.
    I was going to replace the hydraulic cylinders and ordered them from surplus center but I really wanted a real backhoe so I got one.
    Anyway I will sell the machine for the cost of the replacement cylinders.
    $350.00 would be a good deal if someone wants to dig in good dirt or sand,
    clay is a PITA. haven't really had any problems except when I was trying to do something that really needed a larger machine. bigest problem is freight, it weighs 1000 lbs. It can be towed with a car or truck but a long tow would be better on a trailer or in a truck bed. If anybody in South texas would like it you can pick it up in Sequin, TX. It has 12" and a 9" buckets. You will have to finish installing the cylinders, it has all the fittings.
    E-mail me at jimc@gvec.net

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    Default Re: Harbor Freight Back Hoe Trencher?

    "drag itself forward easy"

    That makes sense, have to leave it hooked up to it's transport.




    Quote Originally Posted by Jim_in_Omaha View Post
    My brother built the Cad Digger 628 some years ago. He lives south of Austin and has very hard rocky ground. Used the crud out of it. I tried it out and thought it would work great in soft soil. Beats a shovel. The big thing I noticed was if you tried to pull to hard, it would drag itself forward easy. We have 2 Harbor Freight stores in the area. I have not seen this at any. For the $3k you might be able to find a decent used 3 point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim_in_Omaha View Post
    We have 2 Harbor Freight stores in the area. I have not seen this at any. For the $3k you might be able to find a decent used 3 point.
    If I'm not mistaken they are order only?

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    Default Re: Harbor Freight Back Hoe Trencher?

    I have heard these machines work nice for small jobs, or easy ground. I'm with the others check into a used BH for your tractor. Unless of course you are only doing small easy jobs?

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    Opinions opinions, everyone has an opinion. So Do I but I actually own and operate one of the HF ride on trenchers (like a small back hoe) and it works good for me. I have few illusions of grandeur about it being a humongous industrial rated monster digger but it trenches and digs OK for me. Like every machine it has its pluses and minuses and it takes time to learn to use it efficiently (well it didn't take me long to be productive but it takes getting used to the controls so you don't swing the arm when you meant to curl the bucket but that is the same on every machine I ever operated. One of the funniest things I ever saw was an honest to goodness true expert track hoe operator (30+ years in oil field) trying to operate an extenda hoe with different controls.

    A back hoe on a tractor (3PH) might be more convenient in many instances than my trencher. In many other instances it would not be much different and in a few cases I think the trencher might be better at getting in tight places. Ordinarily I operate it unhitched from the tow vehicle but that is not a requirement and at times may not be preferred.

    Have I ever had a problem? Well yes. I lifted it up in the air with its claw and shut the engine off. Then when I lowered it I accidentally set a stabilizer pad on my foot (ouch.) I couldn't reach the pull rope to start it to raise it hydraulically and it was too heavy to pick up. Luckily I had a helper that day or I would have been there until someone happened by. Sounds funny and may have been but it was a serious situation. Nothing broken just a sore bruised foot.

    The more I operate the trencher the better I get and the more I learn about how to be more efficient.

    It takes a while to rearrange it from towing configuration to digging configuration (and back) but it isn't rocket surgery or brain science. I did weld a couple lengths of square steel tube vertically as carrying accessories for the stabilizer arms when in tow mode, a true convenience.

    I find the engine to be easy to start and runs good. Like all small engines it is a bit noisy and to avoid additional long term hearing loss I wear hearing protection.

    When you reach out and try to pull the bucket back to you, dragging it too deep, great forces come to play and the digger may move ahead toward the bucket rather than the desired bucket toward the digger motion. This is an operator malfunction not a real equipment short coming. It has a bucket on the end of the digger arm NOT A PLOW. Dig one bucket full at a time and there is not many instances where there is a problem.

    What would I change about it if I could? Well, sometimes (friends say usually) I get a tad hyper and wish I could get all the motions it makes speeded up. Also some of the hydraulic controls interact such that doing 2-3 things at the same time is not easy or necessarily the fastest approach. If you do one motion at a time such as curl or uncurl the bucket, raise the arm, extend the arm, swing the arm laterally, or whatever you make good progress and modulating the speed of the movement with the hydraulic controls is easy. If you try to do 2-3 things at the same time it gets complicated as not all the controls interact the same way.

    I think it is a good value, i.e. what I paid vs what it does. I have used it for many feet of trenches and I could outrun a covey of shovel armed ditch diggers. I have plenty more digging in store for it later toward spring and am confident I will still like it after that is done.

    One short coming is if you have to dig a little here and a little over there and over there is a quarter mile away you need to reconfigure it and tow it as it takes a while to move it very far on its own, pulling itself around like a handicapped crawdad with one claw. However this is not a problem if your site conditions and clearances allow you to leave it in tow configuration while digging. It digs fine while hitched to a tow vehicle if there are no tight constrained spaces where you can't get where you want to be with the tow vehicle attached.

    I make no claim that this machine would replace all backhoes in all situations. I do claim that it is a good trencher for the price, has done everything I tried to do with it and I look forward to plenty more digging with it. It will dig dirt that is just too darned hard for me to dig with my FEL on my 40HP kubota.

    Another thing: I use my tractor for feeding the herd, moving large round bales every other day. I haul several 5 gal buckets of feed (3PH with carry all is good for that.) It would be totally unacceptable to have to install and remove a backhoe every 2 days. A machine dedicated to digging works for me. I can't dedicate my single tractor to being a backhoe. For a couple weeks now my pastures are too soft to allow a 4x4 pickup to be used to carry the buckets of feed. I would rut up the field BIG TIME or get stuck. The tractor ruts it a little but the large tires don't sink in as much and gets the job done reliably.

    P.S. Our house has been on our backup generator for electricity since last Friday at 2PM due to an ice storm. If we had a 3PH style genset that would be a real nightmare. To use the tractor you'd have to kill all power to the house. To use the tractor effectively you'd have to mount and dismount the genset from the tractor. The point is that sometimes a machine that does one thing and does it well, standing alone and doesn't tie up another useful machine is a far better and only truly practical solution whether it is a generator, a trencher, or pliers or knife or screw driver or... I have and frequently use my Leatherman multi-tool but... it is rarely better at any job that the real thing, just better than not having some capability at all.

    Pat (deep in darkest Oklahoma, no lights in sight for days but mine as not everyone has a generator. Now neighbors on a different utility have lights but not us.)
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    Default Re: Harbor Freight Back Hoe Trencher?

    Quote Originally Posted by patrick_g View Post
    Opinions opinions, everyone has an opinion. So Do I but I actually own and operate one of the HF ride on trenchers (like a small back hoe) and it works good for me.
    Actual facts are not allowed on some forums!!

    Haven't you read the thread?

    This is to jump on the inadequacy of the HF machine. I bet it can't even make coffee.!!

    Really though patrick it is refreshing to find at least one person that admits to using the tool.

    The manual seems pretty well written. Is it possible this is just a low end trencher made by a regular trencher company? Like the HF Sawmill actually made by Hud-Son.
    My rides - '95 Kubota M4700 w/ PEC, LA1001 FEL :'07 B7610, LA352 FEL, Bush Hog SBX 48 box blade, '09 Woods BH70-X w/ 16" bucket and thumb, 3pt pallet forks, Dale Phillips PHD, Jinma 8" chipper, Winco 12KW PTO generator, Howse plow, 5' KK tiller with a 2002 7.3L Ford F350 CC DRW 4x4 and '07 18' Hudson HSE Deluxe trailer - 5 Ton to haul it all

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    Default Re: Harbor Freight Back Hoe Trencher?

    I suppose it could be made just about anywhere. The engine is Chinese but starts easy and runs good so far. If I wear out the engine I don't think changing it out will be too tough. Even if I wear out the hydraulic pump that is easy to replace from easily available sources, no need to try to find an exact duplicate.

    They sell the buckets separately so that is covered (not sure how to break a bucket.) The construction is open, accessible, low tech, and should not be hard to rework should I manage to wear out a bushing or make a round hole into an oblong over time or whatever.

    I may want to either mod another bucket or make one of my own just a tad over the minimum digger stick width so I can dig a narrower trench. I would have to move less dirt so could dig more linear feet of trench per hour. For a pipe or a wire you don't need all the width of the standard bucket. Of course digging to direct water runoff is well suited to the standard bucket. I'm not entirely sure yet but strongly suspect there may be times when in soft material that I could use a larger bucket.

    Oh, I forgot to apologize previously for introducing actual fact into an equipment discussion. My bad. I know it is heresy and I could get the dunking stool or worse for my offense but I sometimes just can't help myself. When I see a group of people in a philosophical discussion tantamount to arguing about the number of angels dancing on the head of a pin I have been known to suggest taking a loop or other optical aid and counting the little buggers instead of guessing.

    Pat
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    Default Re: Harbor Freight Back Hoe Trencher?

    loop or other optical aid and counting the little buggers instead of guessing.
    Is it hard to swing a small loop like that and get em all in one?

    Sounds like you need more tractors too Pat!
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    Default Re: Harbor Freight Back Hoe Trencher?

    patrick g - You didn't leave much out or your comments at all.
    I bought the HF trencher too and love it for what I need to do.
    I broke the welds on the bucket the first day I had it but they made good with a new one free (before they sold them separately) and let me keep the old bucket (which I got welded and had the teeth removed).
    I went to CAD Plans and then to Metkit to buy parts for a smaller bucket, 6".
    I farmed out the welding which got $$$$.
    I bought the Metkit "ripper" - the best darn tool ever and built a thumb to go with it.
    To move it quickly about, I put the trencher bucket into my FEL bucket and tow it that way for short distances, no messing with turning it into a trailer.
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