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    Quote Originally Posted by beppington View Post
    AgriSupply is supposed to call me back to let me know the price of a Caroni TM1900PSC ... which has the "P" rotor with the scoop type knives with their cutting edge horizontally.

    I just noticed that it has only 28 knives (on shackles), whereas the TM1900BSC that AgriSupply stocks has 56 of the Y shaped blades (on shackles).

    I would love to see the cut results of the P version before buying - Anybody know where to find that?

    AgriSupply finally called back & said the P rotor version is $2,467.95 + shipping from NC to FL. That's $648 more than the B rotor they stock ... too rich for my blood just to try out the scoop knives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beppington

    AgriSupply finally called back & said the P rotor version is $2,467.95 + shipping from NC to FL. That's $648 more than the B rotor they stock ... too rich for my blood just to try out the scoop knives.
    We're you able to find out if the P version rotor is actually different than the B blade version? You might need to call Caroni directly.

    If you just started with the B version for about $1800 I would think just a blade switch would e possible for either less than $200 or even no net cost if you sold the unneeded but new B blades and clevises.

    You could do an experiment by temporarily converting you father's flail to P blades for the cost of blades and a few hours with an air wrench.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IslandTractor View Post
    We're you able to find out if the P version rotor is actually different than the B blade version?
    No, I didn't think to ask that. And the guy I spoke to does not seem like the type to be willing to get into those kinds of details.

    Quote Originally Posted by IslandTractor View Post
    You might need to call Caroni directly.
    I don't speak Italian

    P rotor "must" be different than the B ... for $600+ more??

    Quote Originally Posted by IslandTractor View Post
    If you just started with the B version for about $1800 I would think just a blade switch would e possible for either less than $200 or even no net cost if you sold the unneeded but new B blades and clevises.
    That's the route I will go.

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    Hello Island Tractor,

    Hope all is well,

    I have been preparing for the weather they say
    is coming east.

    If anyone is lucky to find one of the old
    Mott Interstaters that is a tow behind do
    not hesistate to buy it even sight unseen.
    as all they need is a bit of work and the
    parts and bearings are generic.

    I would love to find one of the old Mott
    Interstater rear mounts that has the
    four cylinder Wisconsin air cooled engines
    on it.

    There is one flail mower that is made here and sold.
    I will PM you with the name and the reseller.
    I have mentioned it previously in one of my postings
    that the construction is very poor in my opinion as the
    mower shroud is too thin and the wheel bearings are simple
    bushings that will fail and prevent you from assessing their
    condition until its too late and the bore of the wheel is ruined.

    Two exporters- Concept Agri and Wessex offer a heavy wheel bearing
    option. These axles would allow you to install an oil lubricated axle assembly which is preferable to a greaded bushing any day as these wheels put a lot of milage on them.

    I installed heavy roller bearings and new wheels and tires on my dads flailmower-the Mathews 48 inch Lawn Genie which he gave to me.
    I have to get the other hoop shed up and the floor in it before I can bring it down from his new place as he can no longer start it, as the 33 year old 16 horse B+S I/C engine still has huge amount of compression on it. The new B+S V twins are an easy start engine and on most of the towed motorised european flails offered for sale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IslandTractor

    We're you able to find out if the P version rotor is actually different than the B blade version? You might need to call Caroni directly.

    If you just started with the B version for about $1800 I would think just a blade switch would e possible for either less than $200 or even no net cost if you sold the unneeded but new B blades and clevises.

    You could do an experiment by temporarily converting you father's flail to P blades for the cost of blades and a few hours with an air wrench.
    Italian engineers speak English. Only we Americans are monolingual these days.

    I would say that the price difference AgriSupply quoted is 100% due to special order and shipping costs. They only place a few large orders a year so you were quoted full retail rather than a volume discount price. I guaranty the P rotor if it is different at all is almost the same cost as the B rotor. The only possible differences are in the exact size of the mounting posts and perhaps the size of the hole drilled into those posts.

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    The five foot Mott is belly mount unit for the farmal A/ lowboy tractors.

    The Mott forty four inch unit looks to be in very good condition. The phone number is automatically diverted to a voice mail system recorder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reg View Post
    There is a little bit of "weirdness" on the Caroni rotor, at least on MY sample.

    The knives are mounted in pairs, back to back on a common shackle, 28 pairs, 28 shackles, 56 knives - that may help to clarify the count question.

    Where it is weird is that at one end (I forgot which) the last pair appeared to have been assembled incorrectly, i.e. they were not back-to-back but "one in the other's lap", sort of like "LL" - - > middle of the rotor in this direction.
    So I re-assembled them the way I thought they should be and sure enough within about a week I got a Jam-up.
    LOOK FOR THIS when taking old knives off, it looks like an assembly line error, I thought it was, until the Jam-up.

    I think leaving the extra blade out might not affect balance THAT MUCH, but I put it back in anyway.
    Quote Originally Posted by beppington View Post
    Weird! I will check my dad's for that & report back.
    Finally checked the knives my dad's Caroni today, & none of them were installed back-to-back like you describe. All are in the upside down "Y" formation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beppington View Post
    Finally checked the knives my dad's Caroni today, & none of them were installed back-to-back like you describe. All are in the upside down "Y" formation.
    As I said, "at least on MY sample" and I did get a jam-up within about a week after I "corrected" it.
    It absolutely WAS that end knife that jammed it, VERY obvious and not that easy to untangle.
    It might be a chance thing, e.g. perhaps it only flops off to the side at exactly the wrong moment when spinning down SOMETIMES.
    Dunno, though I have speculated on it from time to time.
    At least it is worth bearing in mind if you ever DO get a knife jam.

    No need to mow here just yet, so I won't be lifting it to get pics or even see which end it is, b'sides the tractor that it usually follows around had its back hoe out put back on just today, so it might be a week before I get to peek under there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reg View Post
    As I said, "at least on MY sample" and I did get a jam-up within about a week after I "corrected" it.
    It absolutely WAS that end knife that jammed it, VERY obvious and not that easy to untangle.
    It might be a chance thing, e.g. perhaps it only flops off to the side at exactly the wrong moment when spinning down SOMETIMES.
    Dunno, though I have speculated on it from time to time.
    At least it is worth bearing in mind if you ever DO get a knife jam.

    No need to mow here just yet, so I won't be lifting it to get pics or even see which end it is, b'sides the tractor that it usually follows around had its back hoe out put back on just today, so it might be a week before I get to peek under there.
    When it did jam, how did you know it?

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    We may be talking about different knife styles.
    On mine they are pairs of "L" shaped knives, with the horizontal leg drooped down a bit;
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    OK, maybe not THAT much.
    That is paired with one that is flipped;
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    As a pair, maybe they form an inverted "Y"

    As to how one knows what one knows....
    Some combination of senses and deductive reasoning.
    I did not record the time and date.

    Anyway, reverting to;
    || with the middle of the roller in this -> direction
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    has resulted in no further jams.

    The jam that I got almost certainly resulted from the shackle and knife falling to the outside at spin down.
    It probably required just the wrong combination of speed and position, perhaps combined with a bit of tilt, to happen.

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