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    Default Re: "Construction Attachments" 4 in 1 bucket

    Quote Originally Posted by IslandTractor View Post
    Your experiences show the Achilles Heel(s) of the 4n1 on a CUT. If they are light then they are vulnerable to damage (especially with bulldozing) and if they are heavily built then they weigh a ton and cut your lift capacity. 4n1 buckets make sense on powerful construction loaders but on CUTs have considerable limitations as well as being expensive.
    I am sure my WRLong 4n1 would not last on a rental machine. Like any
    implement, it has its limitations. Working within that framework and being
    careful, it is a very valuable tool to me. Any implement that has to endure
    the kinetic energy of the tractor it is attached to should not be undersized
    for it.

    BTW, when I use my 4n1 dozer function, I am more concerned about the
    loader arm flex (and possible damage) than I am about the bucket itself. My
    KL130 loader has a bit of flex, as I am sure you know. I am most concerned
    about the thin carcass getting dented by rocks, and packing dirt into that
    hard-to-grease pivot.

    A few years ago I questioned whether or not 4n1s made sense on compact
    tractors.....I am convinced of their value now.

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    Default Re: "Construction Attachments" 4 in 1 bucket

    Quote Originally Posted by dfkrug View Post
    IBTW, when I use my 4n1 dozer function, I am more concerned about the
    loader arm flex (and possible damage) than I am about the bucket itself. .
    I think the vulnerable point is mid way along the back half of the clamshell (the vertical non moving blade). That is unsupported and if you had the bucket open (that is what I mean by bulldoze) and you hit an immovable object (hidden rock, stump etc) at that point it could bend. When it bends it prevents you from closing the bucket normally again. In that sense it is different than a regular bucket which can definitely be bent but which will still function despite being beaten up.

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    Default Re: "Construction Attachments" 4 in 1 bucket

    I bent my 4 in 1 on my old L-35 while backdragging. Like was said, just know its' limitations.

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    Default Re: "Construction Attachments" 4 in 1 bucket

    For me the limitation was carring a log at idle speed. I couldn't carry it sideways out of the woods so I picked it up by the root ball with the trunk extending foward. The first time I bent the bucket I blamed it on rocks that I was digging out the same day. I never thought a tree that I could easily pickup and carry would deform my bucket. So, after receiving my bucket with a brand new clam piece, I bent it again with another tree.

    jmf

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    Default Re: "Construction Attachments" 4 in 1 bucket

    I think it is important for folks who are interested in 4n1 buckets to understand these limitations. I own one and do find it useful but it is not the all purpose tool that it's name implies. I keep using the Swiss Army Knife analogy which I still think is valid. I keep a Swiss Army Knife around because it is convenient to have all those tools in one place but I would never assume that such a knife is the best tool for any job. I really like my 4n1 primarily as an all purpose loader attachment when I am digging holes or stumps with my backhoe. It allows me to fix the area up after I am done digging and cart away the stump/rock whatever without taking two trips.

    To me the real problem with 4n1 buckets for CUTs is that they are pretty expensive for the functions you get and that most of the functions are actually much better accomplished with a purpose built implement. No one should be fooled thinking that a 4n1 is as good at grappling material as a regular grapple or as good at bulldozing as a box blade or as relatively indestructible as a standard bucket. For the price of a decent 4n1 (about $2000) you can get a separate grapple and a boxblade to supplement your standard bucket so thate is no good economic reason to have a 4n1. They can be justified for convenience and especially for people who work with their tractors far from where they store their other implements (like a construction crew for example). Still, so long as potential purchasers know the limitations the 4n1 can be a valuable though rather expensive tool.

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    Default Re: "Construction Attachments" 4 in 1 bucket

    That's why I want a used 4 in 1 bucket. Unfortunately, by the time I got a shipping quote, the Woods 4 in 1 bucket I wanted to buy has sold.

    It was a great deal-sold for $950 bucks!

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    Default Re: "Construction Attachments" 4 in 1 bucket

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    That's why I want a used 4 in 1 bucket. Unfortunately, by the time I got a shipping quote, the Woods 4 in 1 bucket I wanted to buy has sold.

    It was a great deal-sold for $950 bucks!
    Be patient. 4n1 buckets do show up on eBay. I got mine that way. It was a deal as I got a nearly new WRLong standard weight 4n1 plus the Long diverter valve kit both for $500 plus a couple hundred for shipping. Cost me a bit more to modify the JD mount to skidsteer but it was still quite a deal.

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    Default Re: "Construction Attachments" 4 in 1 bucket

    Quote Originally Posted by IslandTractor View Post
    I think the vulnerable point is mid way along the back half of the clamshell (the vertical non moving blade). That is unsupported and if you had the bucket open (that is what I mean by bulldoze) and you hit an immovable object (hidden rock, stump etc) at that point it could bend. When it bends it prevents you from closing the bucket normally again. In that sense it is different than a regular bucket which can definitely be bent but which will still function despite being beaten up.
    When I use the dozer function, I never abuse the bucket by using the
    momentum of the tractor. I often take it to the limit of my 5000+ lb tractor's
    traction and force in lowest range. Without damage so far.

    From the perspective of construction use of a CUT, there is no implement
    that can move and place small piles of materials as well as a 4-in-1. By
    materials I mean sand, gravel, fill dirt, etc, not brush.

    I moved a few dozen of these wet 6' long oak logs in the past few weeks.
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    Default Re: "Construction Attachments" 4 in 1 bucket

    Quote Originally Posted by dfkrug View Post
    When I use the dozer function, I never abuse the bucket by using the
    momentum of the tractor. I often take it to the limit of my 5000+ lb tractor's
    traction and force in lowest range. Without damage so far.

    From the perspective of construction use of a CUT, there is no implement
    that can move and place small piles of materials as well as a 4-in-1. By
    materials I mean sand, gravel, fill dirt, etc, not brush.

    I moved a few dozen of these wet 6' long oak logs in the past few weeks.
    I agree that for a construction site the 4n1 makes sense, that is the single best use I can think of.

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    Default Re: "Construction Attachments" 4 in 1 bucket

    Quote Originally Posted by dfkrug View Post
    When I use the dozer function, I never abuse the bucket by using the
    momentum of the tractor. I often take it to the limit of my 5000+ lb tractor's
    traction and force in lowest range. Without damage so far.

    From the perspective of construction use of a CUT, there is no implement
    that can move and place small piles of materials as well as a 4-in-1. By
    materials I mean sand, gravel, fill dirt, etc, not brush.

    I moved a few dozen of these wet 6' long oak logs in the past few weeks.
    With a tractor that light, you don't stand much of a chance at damaging your 4 in 1.

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