Auger Advice

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MikePA

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Attached is a picture of a new auger tip for my 9" Leinbach auger next to an example of the problem I am having. As you can see, the cutting edges of the tip are barely worn, but the the 'spear' has broken off. It doesn't break at the weld, the 'spear' breaks. Without the spear, the auger wanders all over the place, rendering it useless. The new one in the picture will be the fourth one I've replaced. While they're not that expensive ($18.00) I lose an hour of time removing the old one and installing the new one. Plus it takes a week to get parts from Leinbach (very nice people, BTW). If this keeps up, I will have to start ordering more than 2 at a time. /w3tcompact/icons/sad.gif

Any ideas?

On a related topic, I'm trading emails with Glenn Danuser to see if one of their augers will fit the Leinbach shaft.
 

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Mike, Sorry to hear of your difficulty. I have no experience with an auger of that design. Mine all look quite different. Is there any way to weld the broken part back on or substitute something? Should save a lot of time and $ if the repaired part lasts as long or longer than the OEM replacement parts. Maybe you could make it stronger than stock with not too much time and materials invested and still come out ahead over the downtime when yet another new tip breaks.

Another benefit to welding/fixing them, assuming you can make one last longer, is that you can decide when to invest the time rather than at some random time out in the field when suddenly your work session turns into a repair session.

Best of luck to you and let us know how it turns out.

Patrick
 
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You get what you pay for in augers. I've got a danuser and it has been well worth the money I paid for it. If your digging in rocky or hard soil then the auger your using will cause you more trouble than a little bit. Guess you already have figured that one out. Yes the augers don't come cheap but just in time saved it has paid for itself quickly.

Would it be possible to get the center point welded locally? Have them use some high tensile rod on it. Then run a couple of beads with a hardfacing rod on the cutting edge. Now your shear bolt would be the weakest link instead of the centerpoint.

The danuser augers have a screw looking centerpoint that is very well thought out. Another idea is to get an auger adaptor. They run about $120. range. That way you could run the Danuser or other style augers bits on your auger head.

What size shaft does your auger head have?

Gordon
 
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Mike,
I was just thinking about modifying my 12" Leinbach. The point is so short until the bit wanders as you mentioned. I am considering having a short 2-3 inch ROUND point welded on to mine. Thinking that the extra length would help stabilize the starting point when lowered.

Hey, Gordon could you post a picture of the Danuser? Thanks.

What do you think of my idea? /w3tcompact/icons/hmm.gif
 
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I always dig the first 3" by hand, this usually does the trick. I have a generic Northern Hydralic digger and 9" auger. bcs
 
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Mike,

Check out <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.tractorbynet.com/forumfiles/33-157058-auger.jpg>this</A> auger Don (centex) purchased for cutting rocky soil.

When I bought my tractor I put my money in adaptors. I bought some and I made more. I can use about any auger available. But my Lowe machine uses a two inch hex male pin on the auger motor.

I have adaptors for all the round sizes, the one and five eighths hex and the two inch square.

This makes life easier.

The auger bits you show in your picture are like hubcaps on a tractor needing a wheel.

Something most folks miss out on is the importance of the pilot bit. I've learned about this over the years using manual operated power augers like Ground Hog, General, and Little Beaver.

Your pilot bit does much more than just center the auger in starting a hole.

If it's designed and working properly it's performing two functions. It's locating the auger by centering a pilot hole. But just as importantly it's initiating the drilling process by pulling down the bit into contact with the earth, rock in your situation./w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif

I don't know if you've ever used a brace and bit to drill a hole in a wood post. The flights on the bit can be sharp enough to want to marry off to your favorite daughter. But when that puppy puts the pilot through the wood you'll notice them sharp flights don't want to cut. With your auger it isn't as important for the pilot to pull the flights into the cutting the dirt. But it is important that the pilot is cutting it's own way through with ease.

That point in your picture couldn't locate a blond in a beauty pageant much less move dirt.

Now let me give you something else to consider. Think about the action that is happening when you are using a round rod coming out of the auger motor and a pipe on the auger itself.

The forces are operating against the bolt pure and simple. The glitch that'll bite you in the butt until you'll find standing your preferred position for rest is if the bolt is hardened it's gonna eat the pin and the pipe.

I mean heck they're going cheap and we know that because it's the cheapest way to connect the auger to the motor. We know they ain't gonna spend to have the pieces hardened or use tool steel.

If you use mile steel bolts they are gonna be like shear pins.

But consider what's happening with the hex or square system. The forces are working against the shoulders. The bolts or pins are just for vertical locating of the auger to the motor shaft, no real serious stuff when you think about it.

Your system would work for most folks for most of the time. But with your conditions you need serious tools.

I'd consider ordering a hex shaft auger with a Pengo system cutting head. I'd see what it would take to replace or modify the output shaft on your auger motor to take the hex shaft auger.

Then I'd drill holes and pat myself on the back for being so darn smart.
 
 
 
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