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belah

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South Central Louisiana
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Kubota M4030SU 1992
I have a 49hp Kubota on which I have attached a 25kW Winco PTO generator. The PTO 540 is at 2200 engine RPM and the generator is suppose to put out 25kW at 540.I have no problem running everything in my house with the generator except the 5 ton ac unit. I have a Trane heat pump with a 1/3 starting motor on the compressor. The Locked Rotor Amps are 145(12.5kW) to start the compressor motor.The problem is that when only a few small lights are on in the house and the ac compressor tries to kick on,it powers the tractor down and the small lights in the house dim.Winco said that I needed 2hp/kW which is what I have(49hp).I can't figure out why the ac compressor won't kick on as it is supposed to be requiring only 12.5kW to start.Do I need a "Hard Start Capacitor" for the ac unit or what?:confused:
 
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The LRA(Locked Rotor Amps) to start it is 145A.
 
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Have you checked the voltage and frequency coming off your rig? I have the same Winco and have no trouble starting a similar A/C unit with only 36 HP.

I have a 'Kill-A-Watt' device which indicates voltage and frequency. The rpm to get 60 Hz. is a bit higher than the tractor tach's 540 indicator reading.
 
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145 X 220 is 32KW. But that is extremely short duration before it plummets. The gen should surge that easy. What size are the wires coming out of the gen? Is the plug in socket good and shiney clean? Feel for heat at the connection under hi load.
larry
 
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I am an electrician an I am not sure of what this means, (I have a Trane heat pump with a 1/3 starting motor on the compressor.) I think what is happening is when you you go to start your largest load and you have only a few lights on and the tractor govenor is getting caught with ( its pants down ). The fuel rack is delivering the rpms but not enough fuel at the moment to hold the load. This is called speed droop. With your present equipment there is nothing that can be done. Now new on the market is something called a ( Soft Start ). This is a across the line starting device but it slows down the inrush current for a time that is choosen to bring the motor up to speed. They are an electronic ( chopper ,or SCR ) device. A VFD is a Variable Frequency Drive which is a much more costly animal that you do not need. The ( Soft Start ) is a dumbed down version of the VFD.
The motors I look after for my employeer are 2000HP at 5000 V 3 phase. They have been upgraded to soft starts from the older reduced voltage start. Under the older reduced voltage start you could actually feel the building pull down . We have and with out counting because some new ones are being added 20 at 2000 HP each.
I spend the rest of my time with 600 V VFD's. I would guess the Soft Start to $400.00 as the 10 HP VFD I finished last week was $2400.00 and I then placed an order for another to replace on older drive before it blows.
If you adjust the Soft Start to ramp in over 3 seconds which is a very common factory default it will let the tractor know somthing is coming on line, the delay can lengthened to maybe 10 seconds max but you need to play.
You can check out the major brands on line .
Craig clayton
 
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Hello Craig,

Happy New Year.


Wouldn't he be better off with a dry type voltage regulator transformer for the voltage if their available? granted ours were wet and 4,160 three phase but.....
 
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To leonz
I was also curious to see if any one could read what I wrote. With the soft start you can control the inrush current by time and voltage. Therefore you get a soft start. If you need a start that has to hammer the load to shift it then you would use other means. His compressors should have some unloading device maybe its not fully working.
Craig Clayton
 
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The generator is brand new and I have #4 wire THHN running from the generator. Also, I checked the output with a meter and it's putting out 240 volts. Don't have a hertz meter.
 
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Exactly what model Winco is it? Mine is a 50/25. Is yours a 50/25 or a 25/12?
 
 
 
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