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    Default Need educated on 3 pt backhoe attachments.

    I have a kubota 5100 ( 50hp and about 46 at the PTO. ) I am looking at buying a backhoe attachment in the near future and I have a few questions.

    I am pretty sure that I want one with a subframe So, I'm guessing you can get the subframe for your specific tractor and most backhoes will hook up to this subframe?. But, if the backhoe did NOT have a subframe, wouldn't the stabilizer bars take most of the weight and the digging pressure when using the backhoe? So, the only time there is alot of weight on the 3 pt. would be when moving the tractor wiht the hoe hanging off the back of the tractor?

    Also, I don't have any rear remotes so obviously I would need a backhoe attachment with a self contained hydro system ( PTO pump) Is there any certain pump size that works better than others... etc...? Thanks
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    Default Re: Need educated on 3 pt backhoe attachments.

    The subframe and the hoe need to be made for each other. As an example, you wouldn't try to mount a Bradco backhoe to a Woods subframe.

    When you think of your backhoe, think of the stabilizers as the fulcrum. When digging, your backhoe is pulling down (or back) and transferring all that stress on your top link bracket on the rear of your tractor. Use the search function here, you will find a few broken tractors here. Your tractor is substantial, yes ....... but I still say go with a sub framed backhoe.

    Easiest and cheapest way to power your backhoe is by running a power beyond loop to the rear of your tractor. Not difficult for a 'do it yourselfer'. Lots of info on this site if you want to do a little reading and tackle it your self. You can run a PTO pump, but it'll add alot to the cost. The big benefit is keeping the hydraulic systems seperate, but if your tractor is the only one using the hoe and you keep moisture out of the backhoe....... makes sense to use your tractor's hydraulics to power it.

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    Default Re: Need educated on 3 pt backhoe attachments.

    Just purchased a new tractor and backhoe. I get the Tractor next week the backhoe is waiting on the adapter. The backhoe dealer is supplying a specific adapter for the tractor. This would be a deal breaker if they could not supply the means to attached the hoe. So I would suggest talking to the backhoe dealer. How big a hoe are we talking? Are you getting the bucket thumb? I will not be using mine commercially but a four point connection which includes the frame seems a good starting point to look at. Will you be using it for trenching, excavations, how big a bucket, what kind of soil conditions..... lots to think about, this forum was a great source for things to contemplate, hope this helps

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    Default Re: Need educated on 3 pt backhoe attachments.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ductape View Post
    Use the search function here, you will find a few broken tractors here.
    (Here we go again)

    Because they had a 3pt backhoe on them ?

    (Edit; Sorry DT, we've been down this road. It just don't happen as often as some say. Show me an example.)
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    Default Re: Need educated on 3 pt backhoe attachments.

    I did quite a bit of research on BH's when I was looking for one and ended up going with Woods. My tractor is only 30hp so it is smaller than yours but there is a lot of force being put on my tractor when digging. I personally would not trust anything but a subframe. I am sure if I had a spotter that I could attach mine in less than 10 min but by myself, there is a lot of getting on and off the tractor to line the frame and the BH up so it takes me at least twice that in time.

    While I did not have a great experience with the salesman (others did), Roseel's farm and garden in MI had the best price and had amazingly cheap shipping. Wallace tractor in PA also gave me a good price but the shipping was a little higher. Those were both for Woods. I bought the BH80-x but with your tractor, you could get the BH90-x.

    There are several threads on here about BH's.

    At the time, Roseels had a listing on Ebay for both so you can get an idea of price from there.

    Best of luck in your search!

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    Default Re: Need educated on 3 pt backhoe attachments.

    I am not sure but there is a size of tractor were the danger of snapping them in half by a3 pth BH is not an issue. This applies only for the odd use at 75 HP for a medium BH I think is the point of safety. I heard at the 25-30 HP 3PTH BH can snap them easily.
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    Default Re: Need educated on 3 pt backhoe attachments.

    What are the issues with a sub-frame? They don't interfere with 3 ph do they?
    ps I know they don't on a BX, but I mean on a bigger tractor..
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    Default Re: Need educated on 3 pt backhoe attachments.

    I can't speak for other tractors but on my Bobcat CT230, I have to take the top link off and anti sway arms off the lower arms. They have to be raised all the way and tied together as close as you can get them to make the BH fit. It is a little time consuming. Other tractors may be different.

    The subframe stays on my tractor when the BH is not attached. The subframe alone does not interfere with anything on the 3pt hitch.

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    Default Re: Need educated on 3 pt backhoe attachments.

    Well cant speak for a sub-frame mounted BH but mine has a pto pump and no sub-frame. It attaches to the lower arms and uses a top link it has outriggers for balance. Its pretty straight forward and simple. My tractor is 45hp and weighs about 3600# I think and the BH maybe weighs 800?

    I cant say that I believe there is any danger of hurting the tractor having it on it isn't that much heavier than some of my other attachments. That is where the most load on the tractor is IMO when its just hanging off with no outriggers on the ground not when actually digging and everything is situated properly for balance etc. jmho

    Mine takes me about 15 minutes to install mainly because I have 2 - 11/16" lock bolts and nuts to tighten on the pto pump collar and finding my crescent wrench in the tool box entails some digging and plus the pump is in an awkward place when the tractor is backed up the the hoe. Also I have a 4 speed pto so can idle the engine and get all the hydro I need so the size pump you need may depend on circumstances like that having more pto speeds?

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    Default Re: Need educated on 3 pt backhoe attachments.

    Quote Originally Posted by Willl View Post
    (Here we go again)

    Because they had a 3pt backhoe on them ?

    (Edit; Sorry DT, we've been down this road. It just don't happen as often as some say. Show me an example.)
    Call up your color dealer of choice and ask if they warranty tractors with 3pt hoes. Most (if not all) no longer do. If it's not a problem, why?

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