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    Quote Originally Posted by Soundguy View Post
    better open your eyes.. it's not just china. EVERYTHING has planned obselescence. by design.. not accident. manufacturers don't want durable goods.. they want to sell you multiples.

    what 'good' does a widgit make find if they make an 8$ widget that never breaks.. but the guy next to them makes a 1$ widgit that lasts 1-2 ys...

    the guy making the 1$ widgit will own the market.. adn continue to own the market.. and sell mor ethan 8$ of widgits to each customer...

    sometiems that maeks sense.. sometiems it doesn't.


    I'm sure some of the antique tractor manufacturers that went out of business were wondering what happened. they made a good product that lasted for 50-60 years.. great right? that means they only sold 1 then ... if that trractor only lasted 15-20 ys.. they coulda sold more...

    double edged sword....
    Henry Ford Learned that lesson a long time ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by murphy1244 View Post
    Henry Ford Learned that lesson a long time ago.
    yep.. I was thinking of ford when i said that actually.

    he made DARN good tractors. you can take an old ford from 39 to mid 60's and rebuild the engine for 500$ and go thrut he rest of the machine for wear parts and have a 'new' old tractor. if you maintain them right.. they probably don;t even need the rebuild till they hit 30-50 ys old.. then afterwards.. probably another few decades. ie.. next owner.

    i seriously doubt the new crops of machines made now are being designed to last a century with repair parts..

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    My employer bought a pallet full of aluminum grain scoop shovels, made in China sticker on them, every one bent first time it was used. I took a handle off one for an old shovel, in a year all the sealer flaked off and handle twisted, Zero quality control, why would China alow this junk to leave there country, this is what gave them a bad name. I try not to by China products, but it is hard to find quality products. I think made in China products should have a land fill tax added to them, thats were most will be in a year or two.

    Dave

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    I have had decent luck. MY HF welder is great for a $90 welder, i have paid myself back hundreds on the work i have done with it. I have some junk there to, but mostly fasteners and paper and bits and blades. My wood cutting friend bought a china made motor for his splitter, that thing will start first pull and never miss a beat in splitting close to 10 cords in the last few years. If it threw the rod today id buy another at the $90 he spent on it. They make some good stuff and bad, its the price point you buy at.

    Think Apple, we love (americans) thier stuff and say how good it is. Yet where is it all made? CHINA in factories that employ 40,000 workers or so, and there like 6 of them!!
    YM2000. MF dirt scoop,4' Jbar bushhog,boompole, LMC 12-16 disk harrow, 4' Atlas boxblade (with rippers). 1980 chevy K10,1990 ford ranger 2wd (285K miles),1997 saturn SL2 (twin cam!!),2001Toyota Higlander
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    if it wasent for CHINA i would not have half of what i have today. Even the stuff you buy at Lowes is CHINA made!

    I have a good selection of hand tools from HF, yea the pliers are not as good and wear out maybe , but you can have 3 sizes of channel locks and everyother kind of pliers for the price of a mid size pair of branded channel locks.

    And the stuff at HF now has a lifetime warrenty on hand tools.
    YM2000. MF dirt scoop,4' Jbar bushhog,boompole, LMC 12-16 disk harrow, 4' Atlas boxblade (with rippers). 1980 chevy K10,1990 ford ranger 2wd (285K miles),1997 saturn SL2 (twin cam!!),2001Toyota Higlander
    1986 Cobia 177 sunskiff w/1981 Johnson 60 hp
    1991 Javalen 17ft w/same year 150 Johnson GT
    Troybuilt 4 cycle & Echo 2 stroke,cold natured(need carb rebuild),MS390 Stihl, Northern tool pressure washer, mixes water into the oil in the pump(now dead, motor on a tiller). 5000 watt generator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clemsonfor View Post
    . They make some good stuff and bad, its the price point you buy at.

    Think Apple, we love (americans) thier stuff and say how good it is. Yet where is it all made? CHINA in factories that employ 40,000 workers or so, and there like 6 of them!!
    yep.. apple... made in china. decent quality too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soundguy

    not always so.

    IF i need a 7/8" or 15/16" wrench that I need to torch and bend so it will fit fit around a shaft in a tractor to get to a pressure fitting inside a sump, I sure want that wrench to be a 5$ wrench.. and not a 25$ wrench.

    That's not a cheap attitude.. that's working smart.

    Blanket statements like yours are rarely correct. ( yes.. my example is a real one.. not a made up one. that tool changes the hyd relief/check valve on a ford tractor without pulling apto shaft and dropping a belly pump.. turns a 3 hour job into a 5 minute job... ) that's smart.. not cheap!

    soundguy
    Well said Chris!! We have done this too, love the China stuff for that!!
    Thanks,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Dave
    My employer bought a pallet full of aluminum grain scoop shovels, made in China sticker on them, every one bent first time it was used. I took a handle off one for an old shovel, in a year all the sealer flaked off and handle twisted, Zero quality control, why would China alow this junk to leave there country, this is what gave them a bad name. I try not to by China products, but it is hard to find quality products. I think made in China products should have a land fill tax added to them, thats were most will be in a year or two.

    Dave
    Excellent idea, and the chinese should be forced to ship their crap back to china and dispose of it there. One of the troubles we have is that when people buy American they expect refunds or replacements but when they buy this cheap chinese stuff and it fails they often toss it and buy another. Every one of you that buys chinese when there are American alternatives within a reasonable price difference should start insisting on full refunds or replacements to help level the field. Or you should stop returning your American purchases if you toss your china stuff.

    I will not support a communist repressive society by willingly buying Chinese. And yes, I know my baseball cap was made in china, that is not my point. My point is to buy American or at least from a friendly democratic country WHENEVER POSSIBLE.

    Food from china was brought up a while back. If chinese tools are good enough for your standards, food from china should be good enough to feed you and your family. I don't understand why someone would make that differentiation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clemsonfor View Post
    I have had decent luck. MY HF welder is great for a $90 welder, i have paid myself back hundreds on the work i have done with it. I have some junk there to, but mostly fasteners and paper and bits and blades. My wood cutting friend bought a china made motor for his splitter, that thing will start first pull and never miss a beat in splitting close to 10 cords in the last few years. If it threw the rod today id buy another at the $90 he spent on it. They make some good stuff and bad, its the price point you buy at.

    Think Apple, we love (americans) thier stuff and say how good it is. Yet where is it all made? CHINA in factories that employ 40,000 workers or so, and there like 6 of them!!
    Apple, a company that build it's products in China, their old CEO (Steve Jobs) even said there's no way they will bring those jobs back, sued Samsung (a company that actually makes chips for Apple in the US), and is now cutting the amount of US made components in their products. Yet people will line up and wait to buy their new iPhone. I really think a large number of people in the US are like crack addicts.
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    So who here would do this to a Snap On wrench? When the choice is to modify a wrench so you can remove a bolt through an access hole in a bell housing to pull a tranny to replace a throw bearing or pay a tow truck to haul it to a garage where you can pay them it seams pretty clear to me which is more expensive.

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