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    Default Re: 5 best uses for Top and Tilt

    Quote Originally Posted by murphy1244 View Post
    Your valve controls on your remotes, how many positions do you have? I have two plus center.
    positions or actions? Sorry, I'm not trying to nit pick I just don't understand. Pull the lever one way, the rake turns clockwise, then counter cc when pushed the other direction.
    I'm assuming that's a double acting valve with a center off. I have exactly twenty minutes familiarity with this so sorry to be so stupid here.

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    Default Re: 5 best uses for Top and Tilt

    5 foot implements with a 5740. As far as if you have the float function on any of your rear remotes, push the control lever forward just like the loader joystick. Once it has moved to what seems like it's limits, then push it a bit further and it should lock into the float detent position. Try that with each lever and you will find out IF you have the float position with any of them and how many if any.

    Good luck.
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    Default Re: 5 best uses for Top and Tilt

    Quote Originally Posted by daugen View Post
    A little light bulb just came on. Would a top and tilt adjustment help to fine tune a phd in operation? Or is that mostly just overall up and down?
    I can just see the next new thread...Hi. I 'd like to use my post hole digger to dig coal at a 45 degree angle...would a TnT help for that?
    I haven't run my PHD in a while but, if I remember correctly, the top link is not used. Don't know what the "Tilt" would help in using a PHD.

    Sometimes the "Top" could be used to apply down pressure but it requires a special set-up with additional connections. Others can tell you more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daugen View Post
    as far as a float setting, I'm embarrassed to say I don't know. Is this the same as a draft control adjustment?
    The manual didn't help, it showed the latter as "if installed". I don't remember that slider but I sure will look tomorrow.
    My instincts say no, but I'm willing to be pleasantly surprised.
    There is a pictogram near the controls, and like so many pictograms, it just isn't talking to me, other than looking like
    a cylinder is being adjusted, but not which one or for what purpose.

    We have colder weather coming in and I may be able to get some seat time again once the ground freezes. It's just been too wet in our area recently to
    do much of anything.

    A little light bulb just came on. Would a top and tilt adjustment help to fine tune a phd in operation? Or is that mostly just overall up and down?
    I can just see the next new thread...Hi. I 'd like to use my post hole digger to dig coal at a 45 degree angle...would a TnT help for that?
    Sorry, got sidetracked, yes the tilt cylinder works great for getting the PHD plumb or at an angle if that it what you want.

    I know that you didn't ask, but for others, YOU SHOULD NOT attempt to use a top link for a down pressure unit on a PHD. Down pressure kits for a PHD are single acting hydraulics with relief valves and other custom linkage to be able to have everything work properly and safely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MtnViewRanch View Post
    Sorry, got sidetracked, yes the tilt cylinder works great for getting the PHD plumb or at an angle if that it what you want.

    I know that you didn't ask, but for others, YOU SHOULD NOT attempt to use a top link for a down pressure unit on a PHD. Down pressure kits for a PHD are single acting hydraulics with relief valves and other custom linkage to be able to have everything work properly and safely.
    Good knowledge.

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    Understood, 10-4, no downforce on the top link. The bigger phd's have that as an option, but I have Land Prides's
    small one, and it works fine for what I need. We have so many rocks here that the bit is trying to bore to China usually, getting pulled in by
    a rock. I'm happy to take my time and let it grind away.
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    Default Re: 5 best uses for Top and Tilt

    Quote Originally Posted by daugen View Post
    I have started using my mirrors quite a bit to compare tilt by using the location of the implement in reference to my rear tires.

    Boy, I would like to also, but I have a size problem, and no guy jokes here, but my current equipment is too small, bought for my smaller tractor, on which it works admirably.
    I am likely to donate the smaller tractor back to my church, from where it came, but I hate to think of buying a new rake, a new box blade, a bigger mower, groan.
    So I have this weeny five foot rake on the back, and I can't see it in the mirrors because it won't clear the tires. Likely same for my mower, but I'll make do it works so well anyway.
    But my box blade suffers an even worse fate, it's only four feet wide. So I can see that even less, without completely turning around.
    Boy would I like some CC tv on my tractor; there are all kinds of places where line of sight gets blocked.
    And I'm fine with using mirrors; the Kubota has nicely adjustable ones and they are big enough but they can't see around corners.

    I don't have a solid rear blade yet, so at least I'll get the right size on that, and will get one that can utilize my rear hydraulics the best.
    And I'll be able to see the end of it...
    The only other consolation in getting a bigger box blade is that it will be considerably heavier than what I have now, which is needed for counterbalancing the FEL/grapple.
    Other than using my ballast box, I think the box blade, a possible new six footer, will be the heaviest thing I have to hang out back for ballast.
    I can understand your difficulty, if I didn't have reference point such as with my 7' box scraper or 6' rotary cutter, I would have a permanent crick in my neck and make a mess for sure. I have seen some people use markers such as are mounted on the front bumpers of trucks as reference points, but I have no experience with them and would probably just tear them off the way I use my tractors.

    I got a 7' box scraper as I use it on our M8540 too, but a 6' will work fine on yours. Land Pride makes some nice ones depending on how much you want to pay. I really don't have any experience with other brands. I like hydraulic scarifiers, but you sure pay for them.

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    Default Re: 5 best uses for Top and Tilt

    Quote Originally Posted by daugen View Post
    Understood, 10-4, no downforce on the top link. The bigger phd's have that as an option, but I have Land Prides's
    small one, and it works fine for what I need. We have so many rocks here that the bit is trying to bore to China usually, getting pulled in by
    a rock. I'm happy to take my time and let it grind away.
    You can get a down force kit for all of the Land Pride PHD. I was just pointing out that it was not a good idea to try and make use any double acting cylinder such as a hydraulic top. link.
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    Default Re: 5 best uses for Top and Tilt

    Quote Originally Posted by MtnViewRanch View Post
    You can get a down force kit for all of the Land Pride PHD. I was just pointing out that it was not a good idea to try and make use any double acting cylinder such as a hydraulic top. link.
    I did get that, the cylinder style or valving is wrong for the application. Beyond that, I'm not sure why. Could you explain the single acting vs. double acting again please? thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daugen View Post
    I did get that, the cylinder style or valving is wrong for the application. Beyond that, I'm not sure why. Could you explain the single acting vs. double acting again please? thanks.
    The problem is that it would be just about impossible to always be able to have the double acting cylinder move at the same rate as the 3pt hitch. There needs to be some sort of safety device built into the whole setup which is where the whole down pressure kit works out so very well. Not so hard to have it work going down, but you would be in trouble when raising the PHD. This is not to say that "IT can't be done" just why go to all the trouble to be able to do it safely with a double acting cylinder when there is a kit available to do it relatively simple using a single acting cylinder.

    This probably isn't explaining it to the degree that you would like, but it is all I have for this time.
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