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    I need to take care of about 100 acres of CRP.

    I'm looking at buying a Brillion Till n Seed BPSB-6 for interseeding clover, as well as reseeding areas of brome, orchardgrass, timothy, and clover that are weedy.

    The land is hilly, silt loam soil.

    My plan is to mow close, then use the Till n Seed to work it up slightly and plant.

    Anyone have experience with this piece of equipment?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TTwoods View Post
    I need to take care of about 100 acres of CRP.

    I'm looking at buying a Brillion Till n Seed BPSB-6 for interseeding clover, as well as reseeding areas of brome, orchardgrass, timothy, and clover that are weedy.

    The land is hilly, silt loam soil.

    My plan is to mow close, then use the Till n Seed to work it up slightly and plant.

    Anyone have experience with this piece of equipment?


    A seeder like this will work but the issue will be total germination
    percentages versus the time and money spent which may or will be lower
    as the weeds may overtake the planting.

    You can mow before planting but it will not reduce the weeds as they are already established.

    A grass seed or clover will need a prepared seed bed to germinate the seeds quickly.

    It all depends on the amount of work you want to do.

    I would rather see you get the small Brillion sure stand grass seeder and have
    someone come in plow and disc it a few acres a year and ready it for you to plant
    as you are going to need weed control to establish the seed bed.

    Good grass seed is expensive and planting in compacted ground that has simply settled over
    time is an iffy propostion simply because your spending YOUR money.

    The other option is one of the PTO powered slit seeders BUT the issue of weeds is still prevalent.

    You could purchase a small reverse rotation rotoiller and a grass drill and then strip till sections of the area 4 feet wide at a time and have excellent results from the tillage and seeding in two passes as the seedlings will choke out the weeds.

    All depends on the time and money and results you want and WHAT the actual results will be when the fall comes and you look at one seasons grass growth. you hav enot mentioned if youe were going to fertilise the plots as well SO thats an issue.

    A 100 acre plot of land is going to take you time and money to manage as CRP and a lot of seed. Its an opportunity cost
    issue aand having a one pass tillage tool and a grass drill will get you quick results if you till and plant several lanes of seed bed as it will have less of a chance to wash out as well if you use a grass drill.

    A rear tine tiller or stone burrier will bury the rocks and give you an instant seed bed too.


    I AM NOT trying to spend your money, but I do not know what if any tillage tools you may have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leonz View Post
    A seeder like this will work but the issue will be total germination
    percentages versus the time and money spent which may or will be lower
    as the weeds may overtake the planting.

    You can mow before planting but it will not reduce the weeds as they are already established.

    A grass seed or clover will need a prepared seed bed to germinate the seeds quickly.

    It all depends on the amount of work you want to do.

    I would rather see you get the small Brillion sure stand grass seeder and have
    someone come in plow and disc it a few acres a year and ready it for you to plant
    as you are going to need weed control to establish the seed bed.

    Good grass seed is expensive and planting in compacted ground that has simply settled over
    time is an iffy propostion simply because your spending YOUR money.

    The other option is one of the PTO powered slit seeders BUT the issue of weeds is still prevalent.

    You could purchase a small reverse rotation rotoiller and a grass drill and then strip till sections of the area 4 feet wide at a time and have excellent results from the tillage and seeding in two passes as the seedlings will choke out the weeds.

    All depends on the time and money and results you want and WHAT the actual results will be when the fall comes and you look at one seasons grass growth. you hav enot mentioned if youe were going to fertilise the plots as well SO thats an issue.

    A 100 acre plot of land is going to take you time and money to manage as CRP and a lot of seed. Its an opportunity cost
    issue aand having a one pass tillage tool and a grass drill will get you quick results if you till and plant several lanes of seed bed as it will have less of a chance to wash out as well if you use a grass drill.

    A rear tine tiller or stone burrier will bury the rocks and give you an instant seed bed too.


    I AM NOT trying to spend your money, but I do not know what if any tillage tools you may have.
    Thanks for the response.....I agree with the weed concerns; and I am also thinking that the till n seed may mix up the weed seeds along with my grass/clover seeds and then there would be significant weed competition.

    I have very small tillage equipment.....50" Howard rotavator, king cutter one row cultivator, older 7' cultipacker, 6' king cutter 3 pt disk, hand earthway broadcast seeder.....that I use for food plots at a small acreage near home. I had a Christmas tree farm on that small acreage. The issue is I work a full time job, and the CRP is 200+ miles away. Hauling small equipment over there and trying to keep ahead of the weeds could easily become a new career. I tried hiring custom work done, but that is a challenge from a lot of perspectives. Most of the farmers in the area are strapped for time on their own farms.

    So, I'm taking the plunge and getting some decent sized new equipment. Time is the major issue; hence the "once and done" till n seed caught my eye.

    My next idea is a sprayer and a Land Pride 606NT no-till drill. A few more trips over the field; spray with roundup and then drill. If the drill is adjusted correctly for depth and rate then this plan may work better. The reviews on the Land Pride (same as Great Plains) drills are good, and their manuals show the equipment can be adjusted/calibrated for precise depth and rate control. I suspect the custom no-tiller drilled too deep since there was very poor germination, but am not sure. Hence I was afraid of no-tilling, but if I take my time and do it right it might be the best option.

    Thoughts?

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    Default Re: Brillion Till N Seed

    Quote Originally Posted by TTwoods View Post
    Thanks for the response.....I agree with the weed concerns; and I am also thinking that the till n seed may mix up the weed seeds along with my grass/clover seeds and then there would be significant weed competition.

    I have very small tillage equipment.....50" Howard rotavator, king cutter one row cultivator, older 7' cultipacker, 6' king cutter 3 pt disk, hand earthway broadcast seeder.....that I use for food plots at a small acreage near home. I had a Christmas tree farm on that small acreage. The issue is I work a full time job, and the CRP is 200+ miles away. Hauling small equipment over there and trying to keep ahead of the weeds could easily become a new career. I tried hiring custom work done, but that is a challenge from a lot of perspectives. Most of the farmers in the area are strapped for time on their own farms.

    So, I'm taking the plunge and getting some decent sized new equipment. Time is the major issue; hence the "once and done" till n seed caught my eye.

    My next idea is a sprayer and a Land Pride 606NT no-till drill. A few more trips over the field; spray with roundup and then drill. If the drill is adjusted correctly for depth and rate then this plan may work better. The reviews on the Land Pride (same as Great Plains) drills are good, and their manuals show the equipment can be adjusted/calibrated for precise depth and rate control. I suspect the custom no-tiller drilled too deep since there was very poor germination, but am not sure. Hence I was afraid of no-tilling, but if I take my time and do it right it might be the best option.

    Thoughts?


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    Something else to consider;

    is using a full width weed wiper roll and you can purchase stone burriers
    with seed and fertiliser boxes and packer wheels too-one pass
    and its done.

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    Default Re: Brillion Till N Seed

    What is currently growing on the CRP ground? Native grasses or non-native perennials or mostly weeds? Many of the CRP lands that I've hunted pheasant and grouse (sharp-tail and prairie chicken) have been a mix of cool season and warm season native perennials. I guess that I assumed that the CRP program was implemented to re-introduce native plants on marginal farm ground. Maybe not...

    Typically, no-till planting is utilized in grasslands or pastures to 1.) re-establish or improve the stand density of the native perennials or 2.) introduce a broader mix of perennial grasses into a mono-culture pasture.

    If you've got mostly weeds right now.. you're really committed to addressing that issue before planting - IMO.

    Round-up is a very effective herbicide. But, it can be worse than weed competition for both germinating broadleaf (clover, etc.) as well as perennial grasses (brome, etc.) if there is significant carry-over.

    I'd be spending some time on the phone and in the office of my local NRCS agent before I'd commit to investing many thousands of $$$!

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    This is highly erodible land and the purpose of CRP here is dual...erosion prevention and wildlife benefits.

    The cover is supposed to be cool season grasses and clover. There is a weed issue on a significant portion of a seeding that was completed two years ago. I have been in contact with NRCS as to what to do about it; there have been no decisions made but I am trying to get into a position to have the equipment to do a reseeding if needed and also to do the required mid-management interseeding.

    Hence the desire to hear what the experiences are out there relative to the Brillion Till N Seed as a tool to use on CRP ground. If there are no experiences......then I will go to either conventional tillage or no-till. And weed control will be top priority.

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