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    Default Re: Pallet forks suppose to be loose or SSQA bracket improperly made?

    Quote Originally Posted by Herkypilot View Post
    Richard,
    Remember the term "Japanese Junk"? That was thrown around in the '60's & 70's relating to Japanese manufactured equipment. I don't think anyone associates Japanese made equipment with "Junk" anymore, do you?

    Remaining comment not directed at Richard...
    I've heard that these fitment issues seem to be more of a kubota SSQA problem as Kubota is slightly off on their standard compared to others. Anyone here have a different experience? Do you think a company like "WildKat", who by the way MAKES their equipment on-site, would stay in business long if ALL their products didn't fit skid-steer equipment right? As far as their company, it isn't a "China" issue at all. Btw, WildKat's shop is 40 miles from my house, I've been there multiple times.
    I definitely remember those days and I agree, they have came a long ways. Hoping the other nations will do the same. I'm just afraid in today's society we tend to let our standards slip. Again, if we don't enforce the standards, China, Indonesia, Pakistan, India, and any others I've missed won't either.

    As to the Kubota issue. I agree. I've built several QA attachments. I like a tight fit. I use my M9540 Kubota FEL head as a guide and build my attachments to snugly fit. I remodeled a Meyer Snow Blade to fit FEL QA, again, using my tractor as a guide, built it with a very snug fit. I had to remodel it and loosen the fit so my Brother could use it on his Kubota L3240 with Kubota FEL. His QA head is 1/2" wider than mine. What's up with that????? I could have understood if we had different brand FELs, but both are Kubota. Very loose standard if you ask me, and that's from a reputable manufacturer, Kubota....
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    Default Re: Pallet forks suppose to be loose or SSQA bracket improperly made?

    That's interesting...different SSQA measurements from the same manufacturer...loose standard indeed. That explains a lot about this issue.

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    Default Re: Pallet forks suppose to be loose or SSQA bracket improperly made?

    Quote Originally Posted by Herkypilot View Post
    That's interesting...different SSQA measurements from the same manufacturer...loose standard indeed. That explains a lot about this issue.
    First, shocked me. Then, disappointed me.

    So,,,, I guess if I was making aftermarket attachments I'd loosen my fit as much as I thought I could so I didn't have customers like my Brother calling and bit**ing about my attachment not fitting his tractor!!!! Better a loose fit than no fit at all.....
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    Default Re: Pallet forks suppose to be loose or SSQA bracket improperly made?

    I wonder if pin dimensions on the hitch side actually vary, and the "loose fit" are actually correctly made for skid loader pins, and the tight specifically for smaller tractors? The handles/springs/etc on smaller tractor QAs are nothing compared to the hardware on my Bobcat 773.

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    Default Re: Pallet forks suppose to be loose or SSQA bracket improperly made?

    Quote Originally Posted by ovrszd View Post
    I definitely remember those days and I agree, they have came a long ways. Hoping the other nations will do the same. I'm just afraid in today's society we tend to let our standards slip. Again, if we don't enforce the standards, China, Indonesia, Pakistan, India, and any others I've missed won't either.

    As to the kubota issue. I agree. I've built several QA attachments. I like a tight fit. I use my M9540 Kubota FEL head as a guide and build my attachments to snugly fit. I remodeled a Meyer Snow Blade to fit FEL QA, again, using my tractor as a guide, built it with a very snug fit. I had to remodel it and loosen the fit so my Brother could use it on his Kubota L3240 with Kubota FEL. His QA head is 1/2" wider than mine. What's up with that????? I could have understood if we had different brand FELs, but both are Kubota. Very loose standard if you ask me, and that's from a reputable manufacturer, Kubota....
    The QA standard allows for both, and many are cut for outboard pins too. Once you weld it up to be "tight" you fit only that particular QA and not the whole standard.

    It's kinda like if you welded up your 3 point arms to a specific spacing between them, and then your next attachment wouldn't fit. The standard specifically allows for these variations.

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    http://www.bobcat.com/utility_machin...ments/bob-tach

    Interesting read on the development of SSQA & the value of the triple wedge design being self-tightening with the springs on the pins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fallon View Post
    http://www.bobcat.com/utility_machin...ments/bob-tach

    Interesting read on the development of SSQA & the value of the triple wedge design being self-tightening with the springs on the pins.
    I had not seen that before and it is interesting that the concept was to allow the bottom pins to self compensate and extend further when the attachment is wedged tighter into the top wedge. However, in the situations we are talking about the fit is so loose that the pins do not even touch the frame when the attachment is squarely on the mount. Your picture in the initial post shows a perfect example.

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    Ya. Pins are about half way down the taper now with the bar stock I welded in, so about right I think.

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    Default Re: Pallet forks suppose to be loose or SSQA bracket improperly made?

    I really like the hydraulic operation. I can just see it someday i'll have to do that also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guesseral View Post
    I really like the hydraulic operation. I can just see it someday i'll have to do that also.
    You still have to get off and do the hoses for anything hydraulic ie auger or grapple.

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