Backhoe Backhoe quandary

   / Backhoe quandary #31  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( The backhoe will dig footings for a garage/shop foundation, trench utilities, put in underground water tanks and septic system, plant trees. )</font>

Aloha, I look at your list of items, and I can't help but think you will be spending $5,000 for $500 worth of work. How close is a place to you that rents backhoes? Does your tractor dealer rent them? I would love to have a backhoe of my own, but I just can't bring myself to spend that much money on one. You'll have to remove it every time you want to put any other implement on besides your FEL. My suggestion to you would be just the opposite of what you said you would do for the first two years. Instead of buying the backhoe and then maybe selling it after two years, why not buy the tractor without the backhoe and wait two years to see if you really need a backhoe?

When I had my septic system installed, it had to be done by a state licensed contractor who showed up with his own backhoe to do the job. Most of these guys know exactly what they need to do and honestly, if I'd been trying to do my own hoe work, he'd probably charged me double or maybe even refused to do the job. I don't know your situation, but this is just my thought about the septic system. When I had my house built, the builder, plumbers, and concrete guy all showed up with their own tractors. I even offered my tractor a few times to move some dirt, but they used their own smaller and less capable machines. They didn't want me or my tractor anywhere near the job. The one exception was the excavator who piled up dirt and then let me haul it to where I wanted to fill some low spots.

Lots of rental places have small tractors with backhoes you can rent to do all the jobs you mentioned in your original post. Let me be the first to say that I'm no expert on backhoes for your machine. I really don't know if $5000 is too high or too low. I'm just suggesting that you consider how close you are to a rental yard, if you have a vehicle that can tow a small backhoe on a trailer to save delivery charges, and if you are willing to have a little more inconvenience each time you need the backhoe. Just remember, you can buy a lot of other nice implements for that $5000 price. If you watch it sit with very little use for two years, you may be asking the same types of questions I'm asking you now. Whatever your decision, I'm sure you'll get plenty of good advice here on TBN. This is one heck of a great resource. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
   / Backhoe quandary #32  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( "What would be really slick is if someone came up with a
"backhoe hitch" design that all the OEMs' used, very strong
just for a hoe."
Maybe that's what Woods is heading towards with the permanently attached frame I mentioned in my earlier post. I haven't seen any info on it yet, just know what my dealer told me.... I couldn't find any information on the woods site about it. )</font>

They call it their "four point hitch" backhoe frame, and it's already available for Kubota compacts... I saw one at my Kubota / NH dealer. Unfortunately for me, it's not yet available for NH compacts.

John Mc
 
   / Backhoe quandary #34  
If you can do a septic system (digging part only) and all the rest as you listed in Texas for 500, the septic must be an old rusted 55 gal drum. In New Englan area one will pay over two grand for the leech field and tank hole alone. Add footing, depending on how deep and the rest and it's 5 grand plus, not 500.
 
   / Backhoe quandary #35  
With 15 acres the L3130 would fit nicely (depending on the land of course). My dealer told me about the Austin man he tried to talk out of buying a L5030 for 2 acres. Several months later the Austin man told the dealer that the tractor was just the right size. The BH 90 (Frame mount and tractor hydralics) fits the L3130 and the extra weight helps when backhoeing.
TXDon
 
   / Backhoe quandary #36  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( it's 5 grand plus, not 500.
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You are exactly right about the cost. I have an aerobic septic system and it was over $6000, but that was not what I meant by the $500. I was talking about the rental of a backhoe instead of buying one. Either way, the cost of the septic system will be the same whether you are using a rented tractor or one you own. Do people often design and build their own septic systems in your area? I had to hire a sanitary engineer to plan my site and a state licensed installer whether I was putting in a conventional system or my aerobic system.

The other nice thing about renting is that you don't just have one tractor. You can choose a big loader backhoe for those big jobs and rent a small backhoe for the small jobs in tight spots. There are many benefits to owning, but the benefit of renting is that you have many more choices of what tool to use.
 
   / Backhoe quandary #37  
people here, cannot under any circumstance, design their own systems.. has to be by a registered and up to date insured engineer. And, the varous towns board of health really make sure of this. Remember too, the Pilgrims landed here before finding the Alamo/Dallas etc, ( /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif, and we've had over 200 years of systems. Now it is much harder to meet a safe system in this neighborhood,
 
   / Backhoe quandary #38  
Your choice of a subframe mount will allow you to use the backhoe to pick the machine up off of its feet in order to (gently) move it right or left and set it down exactly centered on the dig line.

Without that capability, it would take me forever to dig a perfectly straight trench.

Be sure to raise the FEL off of the ground a couple of feet so that the machine rotates on the front tires during the centering process.

Regards,

Bill Vorhies
 
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#39  
For good, bad, or indifferent, the order is in for the Kubota B7800 and Woods BH 7500 with subframe mount and hydraulics off the tractor (plus the other necessaries: FEL, box scraper, brush hog, and post hole digger).

I'll give a report when the main work is done, probably a year from now, or if anything substantial happens during construction.

Again, thanks to all for the comments and advice given this newbie. You TBN regulars make this a great place to learn.
 
   / Backhoe quandary #40  
You will be happy with it. The thing you WON'T like however is when its raining and have to be content to just look at it.
 
 
 
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