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    Default new 410 loader

    Well the dealer delivered my tractor today with my new 410 loader. Really impressive new toy, er tool. One question for you 4100 owners. How do you use float? My salesman told me to move the joystick fully forward and that's what the book says also. But this just seems to continue to lower the bucket with down pressure when I do this. I can't seem to locate a detent position. Any ideas?


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    Default Re: new 410 loader

    jyoutz

    To use the float you have to push the joy stick all the way forward. If it continues to put down pressure push foward farther until the joy stick locks in that foward position. It should stay there and then you are in float. If there is no position all the way forward that the joy stick will stay in then it's probably out af ajustment. On my 420 ldr I have to push fairly hard to get it into float. I hope this helps.

    Jerry

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    Default Re: new 410 loader

    Good morning Jim.
    Glad to read your new JD finally arrived home. [img]/w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif[/img]
    Most of the FEL when you push the joystick all the way forward the pressure releases and just the weight of the FEL lowers the FEL,also the bucket may tip down a little.
    Have you try pulling back easy on the joystick from the float mode...

    Have a grand day and gets some tractor practice time on your new JD.


    Thomas..NH [img]/w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif[/img]

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    Jim,

    Congrats on your new tool!!! I'm sure you'll enjoy it, AND find it extremely useful in the bargain. I have a 4100Hydro w/ the 410 loader, and it's a good machine.

    As for acessing the float, when you push the joystick forward (as in lowering the bucket), there's a slight "catch" before it goes into float position. That's so you can push the stick all the way forward w/o going into float. Try it a time or two with the power off, and you'll find how you have to push the stick past the catch. (Make sure there's nothing under the bucket, of course !!!)

    There's a difference between "float" and "stick forward". In the float position, the hydraulics are connected so that the bucket can ride up or down with the terrain. Essentially, the valve let's hydraulic fluid flow both ways, so the bucket can move as necessary. In the "stick forward" position, the valve is directing the hydraulic fluid to the appropriate side of the bucket cylinder to FORCE the bucket down.

    Are you contemplating getting the pallet fork attachement? I would recommend it - it's pretty heavy duty, and it's a breeze to change. I know the bucket mounted forks are pretty popular - I looked at some of them, but decided against them after a neighbor pointed out some of the things I could use the forks for - I decided I didn't want to chance bending or warping the bucket, and even my wife (withe artificial shoulder & hip joints) can put the JD forks on! Whatever type you might get, defintely get the 3PT Ballast (weight) box - it really balances the rig out.

    Best of luck with your setup - may you safely enjoy the learning and using of it !

    Dave Wells


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    Default Re: new 410 loader

    Thanks everyone for the info. I used the loader today and figured out the float feature. Sure is handy. I've had my tractor for quite some time but the loader is new. I don't have either a ballest box or filled tires, but I'm using a 54" boxblade right now. That's only oh 350+ pounds, but I'm building a weight box to put on top of the blade to hold about 225 pounds of steel that I have. That will bring my 3 point weight up to 575 pounds. I'm hoping I can get by with this. Any thoughts? I really don't want to fill my tires since I'm afraid of tearing up my grass. Also, have any of you attached chain grab hooks on the bucket. If so, how did you do it? I looked around town all weekend for some weld-on or bolt-on 3/8" chain grab hooks, and the only ones I can find either have an eye or a clevis pin hookup. None of them sit flat on the back so they can be bolted or welded on. Any mail-order sources for these?


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    Default Re: new 410 loader

    The pallet fork attachment looks very handy. About how much do they cost? The wife won't be too excited about another high dollar tractor implement so soon after the loader purchase, but let a little time go by....


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    Default Re: new 410 loader

    Jim,
    All I did was weld a 1/4" flat steel lenght of the top of the bucket than purchase heavy duty grab hook,and before welding the grab hook to the 1/4" flat steel,I hand grinded the back of the hook a little so it would set flat for welding,also gives you better weld job.


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    Jim,
    By the sounds you may need to do a little tool shopping [img]/w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif[/img]...welder,grinder,sawzail,half inch drill,cut of saw,torches etc..

    Building some of these attachment are fun and interesting,also come in handy for repairs and other projects. [img]/w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif[/img]



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    Default Re: new 410 loader

    jyoutz,I also dont have any ballast on my 4200,hst,but a 5ft.5tooth gammond box blade.With a 6ft.420 fel.i can round her off as full and high as will stay on or in and no trouble.Yes its pretty light in the rear for sure,and always in 4x4 when using the fel.I carry the bucket as low as pos.at all times.I think half filled rear tires "beet juice"are going to be all i would need.But if i was loading over the side of a 5 or 6 ft.tall trailer or something a full complement of counter weights would be in order.I can stack dirt as high as the loader will reach,i just follow the hight of the pilemaybe 8in.higher to dump.The tilting foward would be bad enough,but when the bucket emptyed,the fall back down aint gonna be good at all.L.O.L.


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    Default Re: new 410 loader

    Jim,

    My Pallet Fork Attachment was $950. That included the frame and the fork blades - all the correct (JD Green) color, of course! [img]/w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif[/img] The frame will also accept haybale spears, but I didn't get those - no need. [img]/w3tcompact/icons/frown.gif[/img] The only thing I added to it was "screws w/Knobs" for the blade locks - I just didn't see the need to carry a wrench!

    As for using a 3Pt implement for ballast . . .

    The JD Owners manual specifies approx 780 lbs of 3-Pt ballast IN ADDITION to ballast in rear tires. Mine has tire ballast, which definitely helps - although I'm planning on removing the tire ballast this spring, since I use mine for mowing the lawn also. I broke down and bought a JD 3PT Ballast (weight) box after a friend lent me his for a while. It just FEELS so much better, and I haven't raised a rear tire off the ground with it yet, which I DID do when using 3PT implements as ballast. I excavated an entrance to our foundation for a new basement door, and we have some heavy clayey soil here - and of course I loaded the bucket to the top. Some of those loads definitely left me feeling light in the rear - but the area where I was moving it was pretty flat and easy to traverse.

    The pallet fork frame & forks are heavier than my bucket, and in addition, the forks let me put weight further out away from the tractor - consequently appropriate ballast is essential!!! One of the first things I did was use the forks to move a brush pile, and when I slid the forks under the pile, and pulled back on the stick, the rear end went up pretty as you please...and I learned that when I put the forks on, I'm not done hooking up until I get the Ballast box on too! [img]/w3tcompact/icons/blush.gif[/img]

    My price for a new ballast box was $145, as I recall. The sand to fill it was free.[img]/w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif[/img] I saw a post on here where someone had made a ballast box from a 55 gal drum - obviously that works too. I just had too many things to do to take on another project.

    I had some talks with my dealer about the proper amount of ballast. He said that most folks get by just fine with tire ballast, and maybe a nice heavy 3PT implement sometimes to even out heavier loads. I suspect that is true for the majority of cases. But, my partner (& wife) uses Ms Jenny (the tractor) also, so I like things to be nice and safe, and as bullet-proof as possible.

    BTW, I found it most helpful to get my wife to do some tractoring. She finally said to me one day that I should give her Ms Jenny, and go get myself a 42-4400. Gosh, I love that woman. . .

    Hope this helps. Let me know if I can give you any other info.

    Dave Wells



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