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xrsrfn

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LS XU5065PS
I am looking to purchase a new or used scraper in the 8' range and would like the offset capability of the Allied FarmKing C8096. In looking at the pictures of the scrapers from other MFG Farm king looks to be about the best made and quite a bit lower cost that say Bush Hog. The weight is higher on the farm king as well.

So my question is what one would you buy and why.

Also secondly the wheel gauge kit the farmking can have on back looks very interesting in that it looks like you could level up areas much easier. Have any of you used a rear scraper with the wheel gauge kit?

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BTW I have traded in my LS 5020 for a XU 5065 so I will have 65 HP to pull a bigger scraper.
 
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From looking at the picture and others that I just looked at, it seems as though you can only offset the boom to one side without moving the hydraulic cylinder to the opposite side. So when fully retracted the boom is straight. So for me anyway, that right there would be a deal breaker. They look to be a pretty good unit, fairly reasonable in cost if the offset is not a problem for you. The moldboard is curved in a press, not roll formed not that that is a big deal.

Need to keep in mind that there is a reason that they are less money than the other manufacturers, as far as the best units on the market, they are not. This does not mean that they are not good, the units that I have seen at AG shows are quite good, especially for the money, but they are not the best. The best units in this size are probably going to run you $5000-$8000 depending on what options-features you decide to purchase.

Keep a look out on ebay, several TBNers have found these types of units for less than half price of new. :cool:

If the price is right for you, might be the way to go. :confused3:

Good luck, oh and whatever you get, be sure to get the skid shoes, even with the gauge wheels. ;)
 
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The gauge wheels would be very helpful in leveling work. But I would want end plates also for the blade for doing that kind of work, which would help move the dirt from the high spots to the low spots.

The gauge wheels and end plates make it into a poor man's killifer.
 
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Just picked up new tractor and blade. I ended up getting a 100108 Farm King used that was 10 miles from my house instead of the Ebay one that was 400 + miles. It was used but this will more than take care of what I want. Now to begin to build the gauge wheels and I will have the complete package. Only bad thing about blade is some wear in king pin but nothing some shims or weld and grinder cant fix. The owner must not have owned a grease gun as the zerks were never touched. Pretty sad to abuse equipment like that ( ok rant end) :mur: maybe!

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Couple of things today put 8 hours on tractor it now has 10 total...Woop! What an upgrade from the syncro shift to a hydraulic power shuttle the loader work is amazing. The extra HP going from 47 to 65 is pretty cool as well, I can now stay in 3rd range and just switch between 4th and 3rd to do most of the work.

I have never had a blade this heavy and it made very short work of making a even ditch to put a pipe in almost effortless. I don't mean to sound like I am crowing just really happy with my choice and am happy I listened to my first mind about going ahead with purchase, this is going to help me tame my wilderness.
I cant wait until I get the gauge wheels made for blade now, I looked today at wheels and axles at TSC and there was a High Run ASB1048 20.5X8.00-10 wheel and tire combo that is is good for 1535 pounds and a 5 bolt hub and axle kit I can weld to my build. The scraper weighs 1352 pounds without hydraulic cylinders or gauge wheel assembly. My question is how much weight do I calculate that the material will add to the gauge wheel, will the material be lifted by the wheel or is it pulled by the tractor and blade if I am phrasing my question correctly.
 
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Couple of things today put 8 hours on tractor it now has 10 total...Woop! What an upgrade from the syncro shift to a hydraulic power shuttle the loader work is amazing. The extra HP going from 47 to 65 is pretty cool as well, I can now stay in 3rd range and just switch between 4th and 3rd to do most of the work.

I have never had a blade this heavy and it made very short work of making a even ditch to put a pipe in almost effortless. I don't mean to sound like I am crowing just really happy with my choice and am happy I listened to my first mind about going ahead with purchase, this is going to help me tame my wilderness.
I cant wait until I get the gauge wheels made for blade now, I looked today at wheels and axles at TSC and there was a High Run ASB1048 20.5X8.00-10 wheel and tire combo that is is good for 1535 pounds and a 5 bolt hub and axle kit I can weld to my build. The scraper weighs 1352 pounds without hydraulic cylinders or gauge wheel assembly. My question is how much weight do I calculate that the material will add to the gauge wheel, will the material be lifted by the wheel or is it pulled by the tractor and blade if I am phrasing my question correctly.

Before you go to all the trouble of building gauge wheels, maybe do some experimenting using the draft control while you are grading. It sure works well for me, from making a 1" cut on an existing graded surface to a 3" cut in virgin soil.

You might be able to save yourself some time and money.

Good luck with whatever you do. ;)
 
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Before you go to all the trouble of building gauge wheels, maybe do some experimenting using the draft control while you are grading. It sure works well for me, from making a 1" cut on an existing graded surface to a 3" cut in virgin soil.

You might be able to save yourself some time and money.

Good luck with whatever you do. ;)

I am a draft control virgin, I think i understand the principle but I think I lack the over all ability to "see" "the time" or "feel" to raise blade on the back of the tractor. I have operated dozers not an expert but did not do bad job, in fact person i worked had me run a D7 for 400 plus hours one summer so i can push dirt fine. I just seem to have the terrible porpoise effect with the grader blade but i have never had a blade like this so maybe its like the wheel horse snow blade compared to the D7 :laughing:.

I have a draft control plate on the LS I looked at after you mentioned draft control and it looks like it is in the bypass position so the draft control lever is only acting like a rate control lever at this time. I will try it in the open position tomorrow and see what it does different. The dozer operating experience is why I asked if the gauge wheels would see the material weight or not since when you push dirt you can really feel when you lift the material with a dozer and start a cut. Just not sure from a physics stand point how you calculate the load on the gauge wheel, maybe I am over thinking just need to put two of the wheels on for 3K+ capacity if I decide I need the gauge wheels installed. Seems like it would be more load applied to tractor since you are pulling the material and not lifting. Thank you though for your suggestion.
 
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I am a draft control virgin, I think i understand the principle but I think I lack the over all ability to "see" "the time" or "feel" to raise blade on the back of the tractor. I have operated dozers not an expert but did not do bad job, in fact person i worked had me run a D7 for 400 plus hours one summer so i can push dirt fine. I just seem to have the terrible porpoise effect with the grader blade but i have never had a blade like this so maybe its like the wheel horse snow blade compared to the D7 :laughing:.

I have a draft control plate on the LS I looked at after you mentioned draft control and it looks like it is in the bypass position so the draft control lever is only acting like a rate control lever at this time. I will try it in the open position tomorrow and see what it does different. The dozer operating experience is why I asked if the gauge wheels would see the material weight or not since when you push dirt you can really feel when you lift the material with a dozer and start a cut. Just not sure from a physics stand point how you calculate the load on the gauge wheel, maybe I am over thinking just need to put two of the wheels on for 3K+ capacity if I decide I need the gauge wheels installed. Seems like it would be more load applied to tractor since you are pulling the material and not lifting. Thank you though for your suggestion.

Most people think of Draft Control for plowing and that is what it was originally designed for. But there is no reason not to use it for grading, especially when using an implement that is capable of putting a load on the tractor. You will eliminate all the wash boarding once you have figured out how to set and use the Draft Control.

Different tractors have the Draft control set up differently, so I am not going to try and explain in detail how to use it, because your actual adjustments may be different. I will suggest that you read the owner-operators manual several times and as of now, particularly the section on the 3pt hitch. I will say that with Draft Control used properly you can get pretty much a perfect grade.

You mentioned, " I lack the over all ability to "see" "the time" or "feel" to raise blade on the back of the tractor." With Draft Control, you do not need to be able to sense these things, the tractor does it for you.

I have had professionals tell me that they don't want the machine raising the blade on it's own. Well, for me anyway, so that the tractor can continue on it's way with out spinning, that is normally an amount of 1/16"- 1/8". So unless someone is really trying to get to a nats a-ss for accuracy, that is plenty close for me. Typically just that small amount lessens the load so that the tractor continues on. Yes there are times when it is more, but I can't think of a single time that it was ever an amount that I felt that it was a hindrance.

Keep in mind that when using this, it is not Draft Control alone, but Position Control also plays a HUGE part in the original positioning of the levers so that everything works together as it is intended to do. That and having the top link in the pin location that works best for what you are doing with YOUR tractor, that is if your tractor has the draft sensor with the top link, which I believe it should.

Like I said, read your manual. I actually had my manual with me in hand when I was first learning how to set everything up so that it worked properly. Some experimentation and you should be able to dial it right in. For me once I learned where the adjustments needed to be for that implement, it now takes a few seconds to have it ready to go. Minor adjustments are learned to be able to easily deal with different ground hardness.

With my 75HP tractor, I have the pin setting in the most sensitive location, I know of others that have to use the middle sensitive pin location. Like I said, depends on the tractor. This is why some experimentation is most likely going to be needed. But once you get it figured out, it will perform like most simply will not or do not believe.

Your tractor has the ability to provide you with an excellent graded surface without the need for any gauge wheels. You have a very good heavy blade, and that makes everything just that much easier. When you decide that you want hydraulic actuated offset,:cool: contact me, I can normally set you up for less money than other places.

Try things out, good luck. ;)
 
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Brian
Thank you for the advise I will hopefully work on some of the setup today. The road way is a bit muddy but i will be packing a bunch of dirt to cover pipe over ditch and will need to strike off the new roadway. The extent of my daft control experience has been on the Ford 3000 while plowing and it was flip lever under seat up or down then set depth start plowing. On the new tractor I have a depth and a draft control lever and from what I see when I play with the draft lever it seems to just slow the rate of lift or fall on the arms. I will say I did not have the lock flipped so the top link you talked about was not actually sensing (discovered yesterday). I have three pin locations for the top link to go in on the tractor and looking at the setup it seems that the pivot is on bottom with the sense at top. so if I understand you correctly to get the most sensitive draft I would move to the top hole or least sensitive leave in bottom. I will play with it and see how it improves control of implement.

The LS XU5065 comes with two remotes like all of LS tractor so what I was thinking about doing was to put the tilt and offset on the same output with a 12 Vdc solenoid to switch between tilt and offset. The blade came with the angle cylinder only so I need both tilt and offset cylinders and ability to switch from one to the other as third output seems to be difficult.

Specs on needs.

Tilt cylinder is a 3.5" x 8" X 1.5" 1" pins
Offset cylinder is 4" x 18" x 1.5" 1" pins

Hose length for tilt 144"
Hose length for offset is 120"
 
 

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