Harley Rake T6--Will my Kubota B9200 Handle It?

[npalen]

Hey guys, do you think the B9200 with FEL and 22 HP would handle this 6 ft. Harley Rake. My B9200 is hydrostat so could run very slow ground speed if HP was an issue. The published weight on the T6 Harley Rake is 830 pounds and the rated lift of the B9200 is 1014 pounds at 24" beyond the the lift arm ends.

 

[4570Man]

How many HP is the rake supposed to have. I think it would work, but like you said you would have to go very slow. I'm more interested in the tracks in the background. Think of the potential of those bad boys.

 

[TMGT]

I use a T5 behind my B2620 and it's about all I would want to use. Your B9200 is a little bigger but fairly close in specs, it might run the T6 but I'm not sure you'd be happy with the performance. T5 is a good size for these tractors, but seem to turn up for sale less often.

 

[npalen]

I've been thinking about building a Harley type rake so went to this dealer to get measurements and photos. He shot me a price on this 6 footer that I can't refuse.
Yes, I notice that the number of used 6 footers out there is about 5:1 over the 5 footers and this is the only Harley rake I've seen around these parts. Does the B2620 run out of HP for the PTO or lack of pulling power when dragging a pile of dirt ahead of the rotor? What happens when you slow down to a crawl?
Here's the specs on the T6 and other sizes at EverythingAttachments:
Harley Rake, Tractor PTO, T-6 Series 6' Power Box Rake

Edit: Guess I could always cut a foot's worth of teeth off of the drive end of the rotor. That would still let the other end get close to objects and the drive end doesn't let you get up close to objects as is. The teeth could always be welded back on if a larger tractor is in the future.

 

[Stonehaller]

You could always limit the depth of cut to reduce load on the PTO. I can tax my L39 with my T6 rake. You would just have to make more passes to get the ground level.

I would be concerned about the 3 point. The guy I bought my T6 from had it on a small JD (I do not remember the model) and he had to bounce the tractor by raising and quickly dropping and stopping the loader to lift the rake with his 3 point. Not something I would want to do on a regular basis. You may want haul your tractor to the dealer and try it first.

 

[npalen]

I agree that the 830 lbs would be a load for the B9200 3PH. It's rating of 1014 pounds at 24" back would only be about 12% above the 903 pounds at 24" back shown in the Palladin manual on the T6 Harley.

Something that would possibly help with the lifting is use of the hydraulic top link working with the 3PH lift. I've noticed that the top link seems to take priority when using it at the same time as the 3PH.

It may even be possible to let the hydraulic top link do the lifting by tilting the rake back keeping the gauge wheels on the ground. The issue might be the tilt on the caster gauge wheels when the rake is raised causing them to not caster very well.

Edit: Above feedback is very much appreciated and looking forward to more.

 

[TMGT]

You shouldn't have a problem lifting it but you better have some weight on the front, I grab a scoop of dirt or rock sometimes in the loader.
Powerwise I'm fine if the dirt is at a decent moisture level, real wet and I really can't let it dig as heavy as I'd like but still does well. Going slow gets old and it still loads the tractor pretty good and taking light cuts I found isn't as effective as I like for making seed beds.

Are you using this for a business? I found it was cheaper to rent then build or buy for how often I use it.

 

[npalen]

You shouldn't have a problem lifting it but you better have some weight on the front, I grab a scoop of dirt or rock sometimes in the loader.
Powerwise I'm fine if the dirt is at a decent moisture level, real wet and I really can't let it dig as heavy as I'd like but still does well. Going slow gets old and it still loads the tractor pretty good and taking light cuts I found isn't as effective as I like for making seed beds.

Are you using this for a business? I found it was cheaper to rent then build or buy for how often I use it.

No business here, I'm just an old retired (tired?) farm boy who likes anything with an engine and wheels. I'm fascinated by the performance of the Harley rake and have been planning to build a T5. (5' model) I discovered the T6 for sale at a nearby machinery store and thought it would be a good opportunity to measure and photograph for copying. It's the first Harley Rake I've seen in this part of the country.

The dealer was very gracious and shot me a price that I can't pass up. He acquired the T6 (something he doesn't ordinarily sell) as it was mounted on a used Kubota that he had bought for resale. I may still build the T5 having the T6 handy for measuring just for something to do in the shop this winter. I can resell the T6 later and not get hurt pricewise.

Something I don't understand is the disparity between the recommended horsepower requirements between the T5 and T6. The T5 calls for 18 minimum horsepower where the 12" wider T6 calls for 30 minimum horsepower. That's about 3.6 HP/ft for the T5 and 5.0 HP/ft for the T6. So for a 20% larger rake they are saying 66% more horsepower required. Any ideas on why this is the case? May have to put a turbo on the B9200.

I am curious why you say the Harley isn't as effective as you would like for making seed beds? Does it leave the soil too fine?

 

[TMGT]

The rake does a great job on making seed beds, what I meant was taking light cuts doesn't work very well, need enough material in front of the drum to kind of keep it fed.
They are power hogs so I can see the added width really bumping up the power requirements.

If the price is really that good you could always look at cutting it down instead of building one, there's not much on the non driven side.