Subsoiling with a 25hp CUT Advice

[sweettractors]

Whats your opinion on my 3 shank idea?

thanks for that Sweet. Im certain the used value would be at least if not more than half a new one? Im thinking its not more than say $400 - $500?

3 to start with is a great idea and figure on multiple passes in compacted soil. The price 400-500 price range sounds fair if the springs, anchor pins and points are all good. Ken Sweet

 

[cphilip]

Cant' hurt to try right? No real investment except time and effort. And I got that. LOL...

My plan is to mount two of the leading shanks right behind the rear wheels. And the third one, a trailing one, dead center. Primarily a trailing shank so the whole thing will stand up on its own. Or do you guys thinks some other configuration would be better for the pull of the whole frame and the tractor?

Thanks all. Ill report back when can get this test completed. Maybe today even!

 

[sweettractors]

Cant' hurt to try right? No real investment except time and effort. And I got that. LOL...

My plan is to mount two of the leading shanks right behind the rear wheels. And the third one, a trailing one, dead center. Primarily a trailing shank so the whole thing will stand up on its own. Or do you guys thinks some other configuration would be better for the pull of the whole frame and the tractor?

Thanks all. Ill report back when can get this test completed. Maybe today even!

Sounds good !! Be sure to post pictures. Ken Sweet

 

[cphilip]

Will do

Ken, do you concur with Jeff on his assessments of the usefulness of a Field cultivator vs a Sub Soiler? It almost sounds like I could use both rather than one or the other.

On another note I also have this thing to deal with. Its a Ford branded model 222 Disc Harrow. Also too big for where I am now. Also extracted from the honey suckle mass and all the shafts rotate. Its not frozen up. This may be trade fodder for partial on either a grapple or a good box scrape.

 

[sweettractors]

Will do

Ken, do you concur with Jeff on his assessments of the usefulness of a Field cultivator vs a Sub Soiler? It almost sounds like I could use both rather than one or the other.

On another note I also have this thing to deal with. Its a Ford branded model 222 Disc Harrow. Also too big for where I am now. Also extracted from the honey suckle mass and all the shafts rotate. Its not frozen up. This may be trade fodder for partial on either a grapple or a good box scrape.

A subsoiler is handy, if you need to go 15-18" deep to reduce compaction or also great for laying electrical line underground. A disc harrow is a must for gardens, foodplots or seedbed preparations, especially in clay based soils. Ken Sweet

 

[jeff9366]

My plan is to mount two of the leading shanks right behind the rear wheels. And the third one, a trailing one, dead center. Primarily a trailing shank so the whole thing will stand up on its own.

Good plan.

With its relatively thick shank and foot, a Subsoiler leaves a more disrupted soil pattern on the soil surface after it passes, compared to relatively thin tines, horizontally oriented, of a Field Cultivator.



My preference would be a PTO powered roto-tiller, over a disc harrow, behind a 25-horsepower tractor. Disc Harrows are not really effective until the pans reach 20" diameter, which will generate more draft force resistance than your tractor can overcome. You must pull a Disc Harrow at a good pace in order for it to smooth well.

PTO powered roto-tillers, with forward rotating tines, push the tractor and implement forward, requiring little horsepower to operate and not challenging tractor traction.

 

[Spindifferent]

Here's what I use with my JD 3520:

Tufline Model 1S-24

Weight and traction are your best friends with a subsoiler.

Subsoilers | Tufline

 

[cphilip]

Good plan.



My preference would be a PTO powered roto-tiller, over a disc harrow, behind a 25-horsepower tractor. Disc Harrows are not really effective until the pans reach 20" diameter, which will generate more draft force resistance than your tractor can overcome. You must pull a Disc Harrow at a good pace in order for it to smooth well.

PTO powered roto-tillers, with forward rotating tines, push the tractor and implement forward, requiring little horsepower to operate and not challenging tractor traction.

That is what I use for gardening. I had a 6 foot wide Italian made Tiller that I used with the big Ford. I traded that one in to a 5 foot Indian manufactured one to do this downsizing. But I can attest the fact that after a number of years, the soil below what the tiller can reach gets compacted hard here in upstate SC. And so something deeper periodically to disrupt that and penetrate it is called for. So I had to have something and this is going to work...

I have no real use for a disc harrow. Let alone one this size.

Trial was a success! I reduced it to 3 tines. I can't hardly tell its back there even in very hard ground. Doesn't miss a beat or even grunt. You'll see the springs really working in these pictures. So you know is grabbing some hard stuff. Pasture thats not been disturbed in over 30 years. But their isn't much effect on the tractor at all. Im running at about 2000- 2100 rpm here in 1st gear.

I ended up with one center forward tine and two trailing tines at about 5 feet apart because thats simply how they worked out by removing the other 6.

I have a video but not sure I can find a way to load it up.

For now here are some still photos.

 

[cphilip]

Here's what I use with my JD 3520:

Tufline Model 1S-24

Weight and traction are your best friends with a subsoiler.

Subsoilers | Tufline

That is a beast! A lot bigger than the one I am looking at. The one I was looking at I think was a farm King designed for CUT's... Think it was at Northern Tool and saw one like it a TSC. Nothing as big as that one. More like a single tine of this Cain is all these are.

 

[sweettractors]

That is a beast! A lot bigger than the one I am looking at. The one I was looking at I think was a farm King designed for CUT's... Think it was at Northern Tool and saw one like it a TSC. Nothing as big as that one. More like a single tine of this Cain is all these are.

I don't know if Fred Cain is still making the small subsoiler? We switched to the Dirt Dog brand shown in the link below. Ken Sweet
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