Front-End Loader Does the Ford 19-209 (711) 1 Arm Loader Fit on my 1968 Ford 2000 3 Cyl Diesel?

[Rford]

Edit---As often happens, I'm able to find the answer if I keep looking. Now that I understand the loader connections better, it appears that this loader has two basic designs -- one for the 4 cyl Fords and one for the 3 cyl. The four cyl. model will have a 5.5 inch "box" where the bracket "ball" fits. The 3 cyl. model has the 3 inch deep box. There are some variances in the bracketing, but the key seems to be the connection box - obviously the 5.5 inch box holds the loader a couple inches further out from the tractor frame. While a lot of guys have made modifications to make one fit the other, making some of the brackets needed to convert seems to be a chore. I didn't really know this loader existed, or that it could be had so inexpensively, so know I'm on the hunt for one that will bolt right up.

Here's the ad:

Ford One Arm Loader
Model 19-209 (711) SN 4264
Bucket is 6'3"wide
all mounting brackets
fits many tractor models Ford 600-800-900 & more
Good Condition

I've reached out to Soundguy because I know he knows the answer, but in case he doesn't reply, can anyone tell me, for sure, if this loader, with these brackets, will work on my "new" style Ford 2000 3 cyl diesel? I've read several posts and it appears that the issue is the "hub" or shoulder bracket. This one is "flat" and not the angled one. I've found a flyer on line with a Ford 3000 that has this same loader so I'm convinced it will work on the later 2000s as well as the earlier if the bracketing is right. Also, the bucket on this loader does not match anything I've seen elsewhere. The ad says it is 6' 3" so that's not stock from what I've seen. But the owner swears it is. Certainly possible that it was added by the dealer I suppose. Based upon the serial number, and comparing that to other posts where folks has posted serial numbers, I think this pre-dates my tractor by a few years so it would not have been built with the "new" 2000 in mind.

On one of Soundguy's posts he was explaining that the mounting "box" (the square box with the hole in it) needs to be 3 inches deep measured from the mast to fit the later models. If it was the one with the 5 inch length box then it would not fit. I've got the owner measuring the box now and he'll report back.

I have read so many posts I know the cons of this loader, but for me it would be useful and I have the set up where I can attach and detach as needed so would not have it on all the time. And I have no slopes.

Thanks Much.

 

[Rford]

Here is the ad I found on line showing the 711 loader with the "new 3000" tractor.

Although its the "same" as the prior versions it really isn't because it has a slightly shorter "box" and bracketing.

 

[Rford]

Here is a loader that appears to have the "short box" attaching point and the brackets for a 3 cyl tractor. Can't say for sure but seem right.

 

[Rford]

After getting a couple PMs from the experts I have my answer. I'm going to summarize:

Loaders have "short" box and "long" box. Short is for the newer, 3cyl. 2000, 3000, and 4000. Long is for the older 4 cyl 2000, etc. Fords and the 600-700-800 and other "hundred" series. Some have cut down the long box and others can make the short box work when they don't have the right one.

The brackets are the real issue. They don't interchange so if you have a long box, early version, you need the brackets for those tractors.

Also, on the newer tractors (1965+) there are " light" and "heavy" bolster which the big chunk of iron that attaches to front of the frame and holds the front axle. The front bracket attaches to the bolster and then then front, lower arm of the loader frame has a nub that just slides into the bracket. Hard to find a picture of how that works. Guys on here say its possible to cut front brackets from 1/2 metal plate.

The other attachment point requires a "hip" bracket probably called that because the bracket has a nub that sticks out that looks like the ball the fits into a hip socket. Same deal, early and later tractors have to have the right hip bracket. These are hard to fabricate and hard to find for sale, I'm told. The newer brackets seem to be more "cast" than the older one that look like plate metal with a nub. I have photos here of both styles. There are a couple brackets, flat metal, that connect to the tranny but everybody says those are easy to make...so its the front and the hip that are critical.

I was looking at the trip style bucket. If you get the hydraulic style bucket it looks like there are more support brackets and some rods that run to the rear axle.

The photos below were sent to me and one has both styles of brackets. The other is the front bracket for the late model with light bolster.

Now that I know what I'm looking for, I'll be searching for one. There's one on Tractorhouse now for $1200 but that's far more than its worth to me. There's a nice on the KC craigslist for $500 but its the wrong bracketing and it has the long box.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

After getting a couple PMs from the experts I have my answer. I'm going to summarize:

Loaders have "short" box and "long" box. Short is for the newer, 3cyl. 2000, 3000, and 4000. Long is for the older 4 cyl 2000, etc. Fords and the 600-700-800 and other "hundred" series. Some have cut down the long box and others can make the short box work when they don't have the right one.

The brackets are the real issue. They don't interchange so if you have a long box, early version, you need the brackets for those tractors.

Also, on the newer tractors (1965+) there are " light" and "heavy" bolster which the big chunk of iron that attaches to front of the frame and holds the front axle. The front bracket attaches to the bolster and then then front, lower arm of the loader frame has a nub that just slides into the bracket. Hard to find a picture of how that works. Guys on here say its possible to cut front brackets from 1/2 metal plate.

The other attachment point requires a "hip" bracket probably called that because the bracket has a nub that sticks out that looks like the ball the fits into a hip socket. Same deal, early and later tractors have to have the right hip bracket. These are hard to fabricate and hard to find for sale, I'm told. The newer brackets seem to be more "cast" than the older one that look like plate metal with a nub. I have photos here of both styles. There are a couple brackets, flat metal, that connect to the tranny but everybody says those are easy to make...so its the front and the hip that are critical.

I was looking at the trip style bucket. If you get the hydraulic style bucket it looks like there are more support brackets and some rods that run to the rear axle.

The photos below were sent to me and one has both styles of brackets. The other is the front bracket for the late model with light bolster.

Now that I know what I'm looking for, I'll be searching for one. There's one on Tractorhouse now for $1200 but that's far more than its worth to me. There's a nice on the KC craigslist for $500 but its the wrong bracketing and it has the long box.View attachment 535898View attachment 535899

So the 5" or 3.5" is measured from the round upright to the edge of the box that mates to the installed mated bracket?

I can see the box looks longer in the ad pics of the one with the very wide bucket than the one with the normal side manure bucket.

Our our 1966 3000 I would like to find a nice 711 loader with the heavy duty brackets that you have pictured. I could live with the 722 model but the 3000 only has 1 control valve and I would have to add another one to be able to curl the bucket and lift. The 711 with the one single lift cylinder would make life good I think. We have the JD 310 backhoe with the 7.5' bucket but it is too big in the horse lot so a 3-4' bucket is about the max I want on the 3000 due to space and safety of daughter.

We have some annual spring used equipment auctions coming up and I have some local used equipment dealers looking for me. The short box one you pictured is an 8 hour round trip from me and selling for 2x of the going price it seems. I would love to have a mint one with all 5 attachments.

Most have been sold for scrap I am told because they are like 50-60 years old and the young guys want new 4 WD tractors with FEL.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

TractorHouse.com | 1965 FORD 3 For Sale

Looks like a loader worked hard can be hard on the sheet metal.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Edit---As often happens, I'm able to find the answer if I keep looking. Now that I understand the loader connections better, it appears that this loader has two basic designs -- one for the 4 cyl Fords and one for the 3 cyl. The four cyl. model will have a 5.5 inch "box" where the bracket "ball" fits. The 3 cyl. model has the 3 inch deep box. There are some variances in the bracketing, but the key seems to be the connection box - obviously the 5.5 inch box holds the loader a couple inches further out from the tractor frame. While a lot of guys have made modifications to make one fit the other, making some of the brackets needed to convert seems to be a chore. I didn't really know this loader existed, or that it could be had so inexpensively, so know I'm on the hunt for one that will bolt right up.

Here's the ad:

Ford One Arm Loader
Model 19-209 (711) SN 4264
Bucket is 6'3"wide
all mounting brackets
fits many tractor models Ford 600-800-900 & more
Good Condition

I've reached out to Soundguy because I know he knows the answer, but in case he doesn't reply, can anyone tell me, for sure, if this loader, with these brackets, will work on my "new" style Ford 2000 3 cyl diesel? I've read several posts and it appears that the issue is the "hub" or shoulder bracket. This one is "flat" and not the angled one. I've found a flyer on line with a Ford 3000 that has this same loader so I'm convinced it will work on the later 2000s as well as the earlier if the bracketing is right. Also, the bucket on this loader does not match anything I've seen elsewhere. The ad says it is 6' 3" so that's not stock from what I've seen. But the owner swears it is. Certainly possible that it was added by the dealer I suppose. Based upon the serial number, and comparing that to other posts where folks has posted serial numbers, I think this pre-dates my tractor by a few years so it would not have been built with the "new" 2000 in mind. Google search on any line(s) below to find yesterday tractor post below.

On one of Soundguy's posts he was explaining that the mounting "box" (the square box with the hole in it) needs to be 3 inches deep measured from the mast to fit the later models. If it was the one with the 5 inch length box then it would not fit. I've got the owner measuring the box now and he'll report back.

I have read so many posts I know the cons of this loader, but for me it would be useful and I have the set up where I can attach and detach as needed so would not have it on all the time. And I have no slopes.

Thanks Much.

The quoted below was helpful to me. I think those of us with the 1965+ Ford 3 cylinder gas or diesel are looking perhaps for a 19-384 or 19-385 loaders. It seems the cast rear mounting brackets may be the same and perhaps the front one (more simple to shop build) may be of some different shapes between the gas and diesel 3 cylinder engines based on talking with one guy that moved one from a diesel 3000 to a gas 3000 Ford tractor. It is my guess the 1200 lift capacity is due to the beefed up OEM hydraulic lift systems starting in 1965+ generation

"There are two versions of the 711/722 loaders. Here is a summary of the capacity by model number:
19-209 (711 mechanical dump) 1000lbs lift, 2500 reak-away
19-276 (711 hydraulic dump) 1000lbs lift, 2500 reak-away

19-384 (711 mechanical dump) 1200lbs lift, 3000 reak-away
19-385 (711 hydraulic dump) 1200lbs lift, 3000 reak-away

19-277 (722 mechanical dump) 1000lbs lift, 2500 reak-away
19-278 (722 hydraulic dump) 1000lbs lift, 2500 reak-away

I suspect there is a 19-3xx model of the 722 with 1200 lb capacity, but I don't have any documentation on it. It looks to me like the higher capacity came out to go along with the '65 and later thousand series.

And for reference, the difference between the 711 and 711 is that the 722 has self contained hydraulics (front mounted pump and internal reservoir).

-John"

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Rford other than needing to make a 1.5 inch longer front mount I do not see why the 5 inch box versions of the 711 would not work out for our 3000-4000 series tractors after reading through the operators manual. Going back to the 1000 pound limit would be a good practice I am sure. My tractor is set up wide because from outside rim to outside rim on the rears is 72 inch. The manual calls for adjusting the rear to 56" and to 72" for the narrow front end row crop tractors. Did you find one yet?

 

[Gale Hawkins]

We got home from Indiana with the Ford 711 FEL model 19-385 last night. It was a long day but it is off loaded out of the way and setting on pallets as another future project. Two owners ago it was on a 3000 Ford diesel like ours but the current seller had it a 3000 gas burner so he had modified the front mounting plate as required for gas. He said it was just a flat steel plate with three holes in it before he modified so I am looking for a print of that part before I have it rewelded into the OEM shape.

 

[Rford]

Thanks for the info. I've been away from the site for a bit....started looking for a Ford 706 dirt scoop because I wasn't having any luck tracking down a loader. But I saw one today and so was checking back to see what specs I needed...and saw your posts.