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    Default ATI Tach-All Quick Attach Setup/PTO Hydraulic

    Hi Folks,

    Recently I saw a kubota L3010 that had a rather intriguing setup. Now I only saw some pictures of this rig so I don't have all of the details. But I did take a few notes on some particulars. It had a "Tach-All" quick attachment set up so that it could take Skid Steer front mount implements. This particular setup had a Skid Steer Schulte Snow Blower, and it also had a front bucket that were both attached via the quick-attach brackets. So you could quickly change over from bucket to snowblower.

    To change from one to the other, you'd simply unlatch the quick attach, back out of one attachment (a bucket for example), drive into another attachment (a snow blower for example), pick it up, and latch the handle.

    Now the rig that I saw had a rear PTO powered Hydraulic Unit, that was mounted on the 3 point hitch. Supposedly it put out about 37 GPM of hydraulic power. Hydraulic lines (with quick attach/detach fittings) were run from this unit to the front of the Loader brackets, so that the Skid Steer Snow blower could be powered. It looked like a real nice rig and I thought that the ease of being able to quickly swap out attachments was a big plus.

    I figured I'd post to this group to see what you folks thought about this. First, does any one know where one could find a 3 point hitch mounted/PTO driven hydraulic unit? I searched on the web and came up empty on this one key component. What do you folks think about this kind of setup?

    Some time in the near future, I'll be moving to an area that usually has 5-6 feet of snow on the ground during the winter. I think I want to buy a Kubota L3010, with some sort of a front mount snow blower, 6' rear finish mower, hard sided cab (heater of course). But before I take the plunge and simply get the Kubota front mount snow blower, I figured I'd take some time and seriously investigate all types of snowblower options. Any ideas that you folks have would be most welcomed!

    Thanks,
    --Wayne


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    Default Re: ATI Tach-All Quick Attach Setup/PTO Hydraulic

    Wayne, although I haven't seen a pump driven off the rear pto that comes to mind, I see no reason why you could not. Obviously it needs to be sized according to the PTO HP. Bobcat Skid Steer tractors have models with high flow pumps pumps as options. They will run high volume attachments like hydro motors and even a mower. I was told by the kubota/Bobcat dealer that the 8 to 10 gpm output range of the Kubota models I was looking at would be sufficient to run a few Bobcat implements. After that I think your comment about a rear mounted pump is a great option. Call Nothern Tool and ask them if they have pumps that can be PTO mounted. They sell pumps for spraying and generators for pto's. The ATI Quik Tach is a great idea, Carvers has some info on them, Rat...


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    Default Re: ATI Tach-All Quick Attach Setup/PTO Hydraulic

    Rat,

    Thanks for taking the time to post. I've found a local kubota dealer who knows exactly how to make such a system work. I explained what I had in mind, and asked him to sanity check me. After he sanity checked me, I then asked him if my idea was sound [img]/w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif[/img]! Aside from the extra cost, he also seems to think that it's a real slick way to swith between a FEL and snowblower in a matter of a few minutes without any heavy lifting, without turning a wrench, etc. He's working up prices right now for me for both the L3010 and the B2710 (smaller blower, and auxillary hydraulic pump).

    I'll probably end up buying the L3010, but I fugured I'd also check to see if there was a whole lot of price difference if I went to the B2710. But buying a tractor is a different forum completely.

    Thanks again for your post,
    --Wayne


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    Default Re: ATI Tach-All Quick Attach Setup/PTO Hydraulic

    Lots of implements use PTO mounted hydraulic pumps (backhoes, boom mowers, etc), but I haven't see one for sale by itself. All you should need is to bolt the pump to a drawbar and add a PTO shaft. Make sure the pump is rated for the desired flow at 550 RPM. Actually, if your tractor is powerful enough, I would try to get a larger pump and run the engine slower, so the PTO was only turning 350-400 RPMs. That way you reduce noise, engine wear, and fuel consumption.

    Pat


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    Default Re: ATI Tach-All Quick Attach Setup/PTO Hydraulic

    take a look at this site, and see if one will meet your needs.
    http://www.acepumps.com/ptobelt.htm


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    Default Re: ATI Tach-All Quick Attach Setup/PTO Hydraulic

    Try http://www.baileynet.com/.
    Look under fluid power, then hydraulic pumps, then PTO pumps. They list one @ 540 RPM with 21 GPM. Hope this helps.

    You got creativity wheels turning! I've been toying with the idea for a front mounted snow blower for the NH 2120 (for commercial use), it doesn't have a mid mount pto. I have found a gear box that is mounted on the rear pto and runs a shaft (with a center support bearing) to the front to power the blower. But with fluid power I could mount the blower on the loader frame and blow back end snow banks in stages. WOW! Thanks!!!!!

    Derek

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    Default Re: ATI Tach-All Quick Attach Setup/PTO Hydraulic

    Hi Scruffy,

    Thanks for the tip. It looks like one of those pumps coupled with a reservoir would do the trick!
    Thanks Again!
    --Wayne


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    Default Re: ATI Tach-All Quick Attach Setup/PTO Hydraulic

    Wayne, in looking at the specs on them, I thought maybe one would fit your needs! I like the belt drive idea, adds a little cushion so to speak...course you may have to replace a belt every once in awhile. Hope it gives you lots of ideas!
    Scruffy


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    Default Re: ATI Tach-All Quick Attach Setup/PTO Hydraulic

    I've been doing the same thing with my log splitter.

    Origonally I used it with my case DC Hydraulic system, but the older case AG tractors had a low pressure system that peaked at 950 PSI, but the flow was great, 15 GPM. Splitter was made from H beam and a 4" dia X 20" long cylinder. Worked just OK, occasionally got bound up, but was better then nothing. Cycle time was 15 seconds.

    Later on, I parted out a Case DI that had a Lull Shovel-Loader attached that used a Cessna 20 GPM pump (at 1200 RPM) that was rated 2500 PSI. Added a Spline coupling (From TSC) and a Hydraulic oil tank and hoses to make the unit self contained, and had a system that worked great on my B7300. If I run the 1000 RPM PTO, at operating speed, I have LESS THAN 10 second cycle time (almost too fast for comfort). I usually run at 2000 RPM on the tach and all is well.

    Hydraulic pumps are out there for this, lots of surplus sites sell them.

    Steve

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    Default Re: ATI Tach-All Quick Attach Setup/PTO Hydraulic

    I thought I'd pass along some information that I learned yesterday regarding a front mount snow blower on a kubota L3010. Months ago, when I started researching Kubota tractors, I attempted to learn all that I could about the L2052-1 snow blower. The consensus of newsgroup forums, and the dealers I spoke with seemed to indicate that it was quite a project getting the rig off and on the tractor. Since I have some physical limitations, I figured that the Kubota front mount snow blower simply wouldn't be appropriate for me.

    Recently I learned that the L2052-1 had been replaced by the L2174. I tried to learn all that I could about this snow blower. In short, no one knew much about it; not the newsgroup forum participants, and not the dealers I spoke with. I visited the Kubota web site in an effort to learn more about the snow blower. They referred me to my local dealers who knew very little about the new snow blower, and had almost no printed information available for it. I again contacted Kubota via e-mail asking for information that was more complete. For quite some time, I learned nothing. That's why the engineer in me started looking at auxiliary rear hydraulic power units, and front mount skid-steer snow blowers.

    Yesterday, I got a call from a gentleman from Kubota of Torrence California. He said that the L2174 was a totally new design, and that one of its primary features was the ability to get it attached and removed from the L3010 with no tools, in just a few minutes, and with very little effort. He agreed that the information on the new snow blower that most people had was sketchy at best, and he spent about half an hour on the telephone with me describing the product.

    According to the Kubota rep, if an L3010 is set up properly, attachment and removal of the snow blower is very, very easy. The key is that the tractor needs to be set up correctly, and that many dealers don't know how to do this yet. First, the LA482 loader must be used. With the LA481, we get into a lot of difficulty. He recommends a 66" loader bucket with the R4 tires. We'd need a 4 position valve (L2207) option, and an electric chute deflector. With R4 tires we'd need drift cutters (L2177) along with the L2175 front mount kit. The mid-PTO driveline kit is L2051A, and the quick-hitch is L2054B.

    According to the Kubota rep, this information is in the new Dealer price book on page 6-64. He recommends that any dealers who are unfamiliar with this new snow blower setup should call Kubota directly at (310) 370-3370 to make sure that everything is set up properly.


    I hope this information helps.
    --Wayne


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