5' or bigger implements by Compact Tractors?

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5\' or bigger implements by Compact Tractors?

Most of us have compact tractors which have less than 35 HP.
But, many implements in the market require 35 HP or more.
So, how can you use an implement which require 35 HP and easily available in the market with compact tractors? Has such a question ever been asked? Probably, asked. But, I have probably missed. So, what do you do? My answer would be to increase HP of compact tractor this way or that way. My one idea is to add a turbocharger kit to exhaust manifold to increase HP from 20-30 HP to 30-40 HP so that we can pull many other implements. Prove I am wrong.
 
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LOL, why not run propane too. Lets have 2000 LBS tractors with 50 HP engines. Can a 2000 Lbs. subcompact safely operate a 1500 Lbs. tiller? This is ludicrous that someone who claims to have an engineering background would suggest this. Sizing the implements to the tractor is the only safe thing to do.
 
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Nomad, what type of implements can't you find? I'm not disagreeing and saying they are not available, I just don't know what you are referring to. Are you saying the "real farmer" type implements are not available?

Regarding your solution to the implement problem, I think there is another issue other than HP and that is weight. . . (so here I am, the guy who favors light weight stuff is about to advocate that little tractors are too light) . . . but when it comes to many "real farming" chores it strikes me that even the heaviest of the modern CUTS under 35hp are still light by "real farm" standards so they are not effective at counter-balancing many of the implments or loads that one might encounter. Take a 1200# round bale of hay. That is a job best suited for a larger, heavier machine, yet the hp issue is really minor in that case.

Directly to adding the turbo boost to the engine to up the hp, you'd have to make sure that if you did that that the engine's torque range and RPM were relatively the same because if the RPMs had to be increased, or the the torque curve moved substantially, then you'd not be running your 540 PTO implements with full power (you might actually have to slow the engine down to get the PTO to 540 in some cases) or you might have to also swap out some transmission components to make sure the engine and PTO worked together properly.


I admit to not fully understanding your questions, but that is my take on it.
 
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Re: 5\' or bigger implements by Compact Tractors?

Ahhh, by a bigger tractor. In many cases it's a safety issue.

You can't pull a 25' 5th wheeler with a Mazda truck...
 
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Nomad.. haven't seen you posting in a while.. I think if you look at the modifications that have been done to tractors that compete in pulling contests.. you might be better able to see what limitations you come up against. Maxing out a tractor will show what links are the weakest.

You might be able to use/work a "big implement" for a timeframe.. but for how long before something breaks.. or the risks involved too great.
 
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Re: 5\' or bigger implements by Compact Tractors?

Folks, when I say 5' or bigger size, why are you immediately thinking about, say, 25'. I was only mentioning about 5' or a little bigger size implements which require 30-40 HP, that is older model MF (135, 240, etc), Ford (2000, etc), etc tractors. Many of implements in the world had been designed first according to these tractors and there are many implement manufacturers around the world who make implements for such HP (30-40) tractors. Their market of such implements has been in big competition since there are many manufacturers who have been mfg'ing such size implements. Take drum mower of Mark, CCM (CCI is formal, official company?) His this drum mower (5') is being mfg-ed a lot and its price here better than smaller size drum mowers that can be operated by compact tractors (20-30 hp). So, why pay more when (if) you can pull a 5' drum mower available everywhere unlike 4' mower which has more price per feet?

Okay, not only HP is a factor, but also the weight of tractor is a factor in size of implements. But, admit that HP too is a factor and it can be increased by adding a turbocharger easily. Remember that turbochargers's main duty is to make the engine more efficient by recovering heat energy loss in the exhaust gas, therefore more powerful. And, the weight of tractor too is important? Actually, it is not the weight of tractor that is important. It is the weight of front of tractor is important and this is to keep tractor+implement combination in balance. Tractor's own weight can be even 1 lb. If you add enough mass in front of tractor, it will pull bigger implement and adding an extra front weight is not so difficult. So, as a conclusion, if you add some mass in front of compact tractor and if you add a turbocharger, you will be able to pull a 5-6 ft drum mower which is easily available everywhere, therefore cheaper. Same can be applied to 5-6 ft tillers or other implements. Hopefully, you understand what I meant.
 
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Hmmm, a turbo charger would increase the engine horsepower but not the PTO horsepower.

Then you have to consider can the tractor handle the increased horsepower. They'll be strain on the frame, tranny, axle, etc.
 
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Why do you think that as engine hp increases pto hp doesn't have to change? When engine hp increases pto hp too will of course increase. You are not changing any components, no change in flywheel, no change in gears, etc. As for frames, axles, etc; if your tractor frame, axle, etc. was not designed to handle a 20% increase in the power, then throw it away and buy another tractor.
 
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Give what ever it is that you want to do a try. Then post back with the results. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
 
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Re: 5\' or bigger implements by Compact Tractors?

This would work great, but only if your engine is on the low end of the power range of a group. For example, you may have a tractor that has a 25hp engine, but 29hp and 33hp engines are options on the same frame.

Even the engine components are often used on more powerful versions, and would take a fuel tweak, propane, or mild turbo boost just fine.

Weight wouldn't be a problem. Just load the tires.

Watch out for obvious weight/strength mismatches on the 3ph and implements.
 
 
 
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