Backhoe 3 POINT HITCH BACKHOES
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Not trying to sound egotistical or snotty (sometimes written words have a tendency to JUMP off the page at someone...BUT...)
Would you also buy a shovel thinking you're not going to step down too hard when you dig? /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
Why spend thousands of dollars for something that isn't everything it could be? When there is a choice that isn't too much more $$$?
If you hit the search link on this site and type in backhoe I'll be a lot of stuff will come up, without repeating it all here I'll just say IMHO they are worthless, dangerous and destructive to the tractor, even if you operate them carefully.
I'm not that hot even on some of the standard frame mount units. It took a lot of manufacturing and welding to make my frame mount Ford NH into a tight unit, where the loader and backhoe were linked and where there was NO movement of the backhoe and its frame in relation to the tractor when the hoe was used. A backhoe can be a terribly stressful object due to the geometry and power it can generate.
The more you do to increase the frame mounts structure and attachment, you of course make it that much harder to take off timewise, but at least go with the standard frame mount. You'll be much happier.
I was a 3pt user for 5 years, than a modified frame mount user for 12 years, now a Kubota designed Construction Backhoe (L35). Now I think I'll go nuts sell the hoe and buy one of those backhoes-on-a-stick (I call them)
They tow behind your car and have a small motor to move them and run pump...WITH NO TRACTOR! How in the H E Double Hockey Sticks would one of those things EVER work? /w3tcompact/icons/shocked.gif
Seems like as soon as you started to do anything you'd lift yourself and hoe off the ground and throw yourself off into the bushes!/w3tcompact/icons/shocked.gif
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Would you also buy a shovel thinking you're not going to step down too hard when you dig? /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
Why spend thousands of dollars for something that isn't everything it could be? When there is a choice that isn't too much more $$$?
If you hit the search link on this site and type in backhoe I'll be a lot of stuff will come up, without repeating it all here I'll just say IMHO they are worthless, dangerous and destructive to the tractor, even if you operate them carefully.
I'm not that hot even on some of the standard frame mount units. It took a lot of manufacturing and welding to make my frame mount Ford NH into a tight unit, where the loader and backhoe were linked and where there was NO movement of the backhoe and its frame in relation to the tractor when the hoe was used. A backhoe can be a terribly stressful object due to the geometry and power it can generate.
The more you do to increase the frame mounts structure and attachment, you of course make it that much harder to take off timewise, but at least go with the standard frame mount. You'll be much happier.
I was a 3pt user for 5 years, than a modified frame mount user for 12 years, now a Kubota designed Construction Backhoe (L35). Now I think I'll go nuts sell the hoe and buy one of those backhoes-on-a-stick (I call them)
They tow behind your car and have a small motor to move them and run pump...WITH NO TRACTOR! How in the H E Double Hockey Sticks would one of those things EVER work? /w3tcompact/icons/shocked.gif
Seems like as soon as you started to do anything you'd lift yourself and hoe off the ground and throw yourself off into the bushes!/w3tcompact/icons/shocked.gif
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There I was just going to ask how hard it would be to put a backhoe on an M6800 Kubota? Whew /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif I am sure I don't want a 3 point backhoe. Read too many stories of guys getting killed on them. /w3tcompact/icons/frown.gif
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I like my 3ph hoe fine. Of course, my experience is only into the second year, and I haven't used a sub-frame mount hoe.
All backhoes are dangerous. A 3ph is more dangerous than a sub-frame mount because the hitch can lift with somebody in the operator's seat. However, I believe that all 3ph hoe mounts are designed to lock the hitch down. The hitch can't lift if it is properly installed and adjusted. However, 3ph hoes also may be more dangerous because there is less tractor surrounding the operator than with a sub-frame hoe (at least I think that's true). I'm aware that it is possible to set a stabilizer down or swing the boom against my foot. That may be less likely with a sub-frame hoe.
Yes, I suppose a 3ph hoe is more stressful on a tractor, and you can feel movement on the hitch sometimes. My reasoning was that I would use the hoe quite a bit for several years in developing two properties, and then not so much use. I wanted the convenience of a 3ph type. I think that sub-frames can complicate the use of other implements as well as taking longer to mount the hoe.
I am aware of stress on the tractor, and I don't think I would buy the tallest hoe nor the largest cylinder hoe available. Some of the stories of damage done by 3ph hoes may be related to mount adjustment. If the mount links are loose, then the hoe can move independent of the tractor. Digging pressure can cause the hoe to pivot on its stabilizers putting downward stress on the hitch and drawbar. With the mount properly adjusted, most digging pressure puts upward pressure on the wheels, which distributes some of the load through the frame and drive train. At least that's what I think happens. Yes, I do have to check the mount adjustments about every hour.
Of course, a sub-frame mount also is stressful, and you do hear of broken frames. I not sure the all sub-frame mounts are equal. A mount that attaches mid-frame should be less stressful to the tractor. However, one that attaches near the frame end may produce stress similar to a properly adjusted 3ph mount. Don't know. Maybe there are opinions more informed than mine.
There have been long threads about backhoes (use as well as mounts) here and on the CTB. Searching the archives both places would be good.
All backhoes are dangerous. A 3ph is more dangerous than a sub-frame mount because the hitch can lift with somebody in the operator's seat. However, I believe that all 3ph hoe mounts are designed to lock the hitch down. The hitch can't lift if it is properly installed and adjusted. However, 3ph hoes also may be more dangerous because there is less tractor surrounding the operator than with a sub-frame hoe (at least I think that's true). I'm aware that it is possible to set a stabilizer down or swing the boom against my foot. That may be less likely with a sub-frame hoe.
Yes, I suppose a 3ph hoe is more stressful on a tractor, and you can feel movement on the hitch sometimes. My reasoning was that I would use the hoe quite a bit for several years in developing two properties, and then not so much use. I wanted the convenience of a 3ph type. I think that sub-frames can complicate the use of other implements as well as taking longer to mount the hoe.
I am aware of stress on the tractor, and I don't think I would buy the tallest hoe nor the largest cylinder hoe available. Some of the stories of damage done by 3ph hoes may be related to mount adjustment. If the mount links are loose, then the hoe can move independent of the tractor. Digging pressure can cause the hoe to pivot on its stabilizers putting downward stress on the hitch and drawbar. With the mount properly adjusted, most digging pressure puts upward pressure on the wheels, which distributes some of the load through the frame and drive train. At least that's what I think happens. Yes, I do have to check the mount adjustments about every hour.
Of course, a sub-frame mount also is stressful, and you do hear of broken frames. I not sure the all sub-frame mounts are equal. A mount that attaches mid-frame should be less stressful to the tractor. However, one that attaches near the frame end may produce stress similar to a properly adjusted 3ph mount. Don't know. Maybe there are opinions more informed than mine.
There have been long threads about backhoes (use as well as mounts) here and on the CTB. Searching the archives both places would be good.
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Thanks for the post TomG. I will say I know of guys with the 3pt that don't seem to have a probem either. I just think the stresses should be spread to the front of the tractor and also not use the tractor housing itself as the support. I don't think it would interfere with anything else except a mid mount mower, but the bigger tractors don't have a mid PTO anyway. I haven't taken the hoe off of this L35 and probably won't although it has levers to disengage the mounts and other people have told me it is a quick breeze. Unlike Mark's Bradco, you'd have to reattach your lower 3pts. This hoe is tucked just as close as possible to the rear axle so you don't have as much of an occasion to drag it going up or down over rough ground. The newer Bradco's are much improved in this respect though. I saw an old 2WD JD for sale near here that has some weird hoe in the back, I swear the seat is 3 feet behind the fenders and 2 feet higher! It is huge I think the tractor is hung on the backhoe not the other way around!
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Yep, I don't think there's any doubt that mid-frame mounts are easier on a tractor. Also true for loaders.
It's also true that I have to use some self-restraint to keep myself from unrestrained stump digging or rock moving, so maybe I don't get full potential out of the implement. But, it does fit with my 90% idea. If the tractor does 90% of what I need to do, I'm more than happy to hire somebody with the right equipment to do the rest. Of course, the very sandy soil here means that I can do some pretty heavy-duty digging and not be too hard on the tractor.
It's also true that I have to use some self-restraint to keep myself from unrestrained stump digging or rock moving, so maybe I don't get full potential out of the implement. But, it does fit with my 90% idea. If the tractor does 90% of what I need to do, I'm more than happy to hire somebody with the right equipment to do the rest. Of course, the very sandy soil here means that I can do some pretty heavy-duty digging and not be too hard on the tractor.
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If you don't care about what happens to
your tractor get the 3pt backhoe. TOO
MANY stories about the assend being
torn out of their tractor with the 3pt
willy
your tractor get the 3pt backhoe. TOO
MANY stories about the assend being
torn out of their tractor with the 3pt
willy
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I had a Woods 750 3 pt backhoe that I used with a Kubota L3010 HST tractor. I bought it because I had too much trouble removing & installing the sub frame hoe on my old Kubota B7100. I figure a 3pt hoe would be easier. WRONG! The Woods 3pt hoe took twice as long to put on! Nothing would line up and I had to resort to a hammer on several occasions. The dealer did the initial setup so it wasn't something I screwed up.
The woods performed ok but I wasn't happy with the play in the 3 pt linkage. After about 50 hours of mostly light duty digging, it broke the top link bracket on the transmission housing. Rather than pay the hefty repair bill, I traded the L3010 for a new L3430 HST with a BH90 subframe hoe.
Keep in mind this is just my experience. I'm sure there are 3 pt hoes out there that work just fine on many tractors. Unfortunately, I found out the hard way mine wasn't one of them.
The woods performed ok but I wasn't happy with the play in the 3 pt linkage. After about 50 hours of mostly light duty digging, it broke the top link bracket on the transmission housing. Rather than pay the hefty repair bill, I traded the L3010 for a new L3430 HST with a BH90 subframe hoe.
Keep in mind this is just my experience. I'm sure there are 3 pt hoes out there that work just fine on many tractors. Unfortunately, I found out the hard way mine wasn't one of them.
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Never heard of anyone getting killed using one but I've heard and know of a couple people who destroyed their final drive case with one. I guess anything is possible (getting killed using a backhoe). Anything is possible depending on the level of stupidity.
Never understood the need for one actually. if I want to dig a hole or trench, I go rent a mini ex or a full size one, depending on what I want to accomplish.