Posthole Digger Post hole digger WOES! Please help.

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andrewj

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OK, bought my Leinbech 7somethinghundred today, 12 inch auger, hooked her up, and proceeded to dig weird holes....

Someone please post somesimple instructions on digging with an auger...please? Include tips on pto speed, feathering the screw or dropping it, when to pull the screw out /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif and any other salty tips, old sage advice, or general common sense would all be appreciated!!!!!

I have 175 holes to dig...save me...
 
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Andrew, it is a learning experience for anyone using a post hole digger. I find when I drop my auger down to start a hole, it is almost always angled back away from the tractor and have to gently ease the tractor back to get the auger as straight vertically as I can before I start the PTO. Alot of times I'll have to get off the tractor to look at it to make sure it's straight if I'm not on level ground or if it's been awhile since I used the rig - as with anything, practice is better. I always leave my tractor at idle to do most of the digging, except when I pull it out to sling the dirt off the flights and then I use the foot throttle. My tractor uses an electric switch to engage the PTO and I have to keep my hand on that when starting a hole, if the auger starts to wander-off right away I stop and recheck that I'm vertical - might have to tweak the tractor a little and try again. Once the auger has started the hole a little ways, it will be easier. After a foot or so down, I'll bring the auger out and sling the dirt off and go back down and go another foot or so and do the same. As you go deeper, you may have to tweak your tractor a little to keep the auger vertical - get off and look if you have to for the first several holes, you'll get used to it after a few and will be able to tell easier from the seat if you're still verticle. Once I'm down a good ways with the auger I'll idle the speed up a little with the foot throttle and pull out quick with the 3 pt. and it will clean the hole out good and sling the dirt off the auger pretty good too. Here in Florida in the sand I'll have to sometimes stop the auger in the hole, slowly raise it out to keep the sand on the auger, move away from the hole and sling it off then go back to the hole and do it again to keep the sand from just filling the hole back in. If the sand is wet, I may have to get off and clean the sand off the flights by hand. If you're starting a hole on really grassy ground, I've found if you take a few seconds with a shovel and get just a little clod of grass out, your auger will start much better without walking so bad. As far as breaking shear bolts, I don't have that problem often. I think alot of people let the auger dig too deep before cleaning the hole out and/or run the digger at too high rpm's. Another good reason to clean your auger often while digging - good possibility to get it stuck in the hole and your 3 pt. may not pull it out!! I've come close a couple times myself, that's why I only go a foot or so at a time. No reverse on my PTO !!!! Keep working at it and the holes will go quicker as you get the feel for it all - I don't think anyone out there can go pop a hole in the ground in 60 seconds and move on and do it again & again, just doesn't work that way.
 
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Skip.. That's a pretty good desciption of how to use a PHD ! Thanks , John
 
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Agreed - I dug 153 holes this fall with my 3-pt PHD and after my first several were done, the routine got pretty easy. Skip's notes are pretty much spot-on, however, I would also suggest if possible that you have someone spot your vertical alignment when you're digging (if you have a team helping you). When we did our posts, there were 3 of us - one to set the hole position and guide it (via bar on unit), one to keep the vertical by telling me to pull forward or backward, and myself on the tractor. We also found that sometimes - based on the type of ground (heavy grass, etc.) that a started hole sometimes helped as it got the grass that could twine on the auger out of the way. Our holes also didn't wander when we did it that way too...

One other note - keep the RPMs down. It doesn't take much and if you watch the unit based on the type of ground you are digging in (we had all kinds - mud, gravel, black dirt, clay..) you'll get the hang of how you raise/lower the 3-pt to keep the digging even and not binding (to break a shear pin). Plus it also helps when working in a rocky area as you can quickly back out, dig it out with your hand, and get back in there again. Hopefully you're not doing this all by yourself - it's much easier with some helpers involved (we averaged 7-10mins a hole and that also included setting the post and concreting it in). /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Good luck!

-Bob
 
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One other hint: If you have a Front End Loader, it works great for doing the final positioning and moving the tractor forward as you dig down with the auger to keep the bit vertical. I put mine down on the cutting edge with the bucket dumped at about a 45-50 degree angle. As the auger digs in and the gearbox moves to the rear, I roll the bucket forward(dump) and the bucket cutting edge pulls the tractor forward in a very controlled fashion. This also serves as a anchor for the tractor so you are not messing with the brakes. This also works well for final positioning when attaching 3PH impliments.

The Leinbach 7200 I have has a hole in the gearbox casting that runs from front to back and has 2 set screws in it. It is for inserting a steel pipe handle that goes forward along the boom arm. You can reach back to it from the seat. This helps for solo positioning the auger tip without leaving the seat. Mine came with this handle when it was delivered. Your casing may have this hole.
 
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If I were inventive, I would rig up a vertical extension to the PHD that was "coaxial" w. the auger and supported a simple plumb bob over a target on the top of the PHD ...

If I were an inventive electronics guy, I might glue two mercury switches on the PHD along the centerline axis of the tractor each at a slight (opposite) departure angle, and light an LED when either "departed" from vertical ...drill when the light is out
 
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If you do happen to get your auger stuck or break a shear pin don't despair. Disengage the PTO and use a four foot pipe wrench on the auger shaft to back it out. The pipe wrench will scar the shaft but it sure beats digging it out by hand.

PS, the secret to a tight post is a small amount of backfill and a large amount of tamping.
 
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You've got some good answers to your question here. The only thing that I would add is to be very, very careful when using a PHD, especially if you are doing it alone. They are extremely unforgiving and your first mistake could very well be your last. Stay away from that auger when it is turning. I know that it's very tempting to go lean on it when it seems to be digging too slowly but if it catches your shirt or jacket then at the very best, you'll be badly injured. If it needs extra weight to dig better then add dead weight or use a bar as a lever, don't physically lean or hang on it as I've seen some people do. Be very careful. A PHD is possibly the most dangerous piece of 3-pt equipment that you'll use. Stay in the seat and live long and happy.
 
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Or putting 80lbs of concrete in the hole with the post and dirt.... /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

-Bob
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( The only thing that I would add is to be very, very careful when using a PHD, especially if you are doing it alone. They are extremely unforgiving and your first mistake could very well be your last. Stay away from that auger when it is turning. I know that it's very tempting to go lean on it when it seems to be digging too slowly but if it catches your shirt or jacket then at the very best, you'll be badly injured. If it needs extra weight to dig better then add dead weight or use a bar as a lever, don't physically lean or hang on it as I've seen some people do. Be very careful. A PHD is possibly the most dangerous piece of 3-pt equipment that you'll use. Stay in the seat and live long and happy.

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VERY good advise!! I once rented one of the portable towable PHD from our local rental place to do the holes for a pole barn. I got a little to close to the auger and it grabbed my shorts. Thank goodness it was very hot out and I was wearing shorts. I pulled away with all I had, but it still managed to rip most of my shorts right off of me /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif, and also left a nice big black and blue mark from just above my knee, all the way around and up past my hip. It happened in a split second. If I would have been wearing jeans, it may have been a lot worse. Instead of limping around for a few days, I may have been missing a leg. Those thing are extreamly powerful and like EastTexFrank said, very unforgiving. BE VERY CAREFUL!
 
 
 
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