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  1. #21

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    Default Re: Backhoe learning curve

    <font color=blue>As for rocks . . . well, we don't have any.</font color=blue>

    Want some? [img]/w3tcompact/icons/crazy.gif[/img]


  2. #22
    Epic Contributor Bird's Avatar
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    Default Re: Backhoe learning curve

    NO!!! But thanks for the offer, Harv.[img]/w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif[/img]

    Bird

  3. #23

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    Kubota L4310 HST, GE ElekTrak, Cub Cadet 125

    Default Re: Backhoe learning curve

    I was told this walk-behind ditch witch could handle rocks about as large as a cantaloupe. And I did hit one that large. It took a minute or two for the machine to get it up out of the trench. I have bigger rocks here and lots of them. I was hoping that I wouldn't run into too many of the big variety in the 100 feet I had to go.


  4. #24
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    Default Re: Backhoe learning curve

    Vermonster,

    Its a MIRICLE! I found the book. Took a while but I found it after giving up hope of every finding it. [img]/w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif[/img]
    The name of the books is "TLB Operating Techniques Revised edition." I'm reading from the bill of sale and I'm sure thats not the complete title but is what they have listed. The book and shipping was 45.00 dollars. OUCH! Its only a large paper back but it is an book that a union of Operating Engineers use as a text book which is why it cost the dollars. I somehow found this book at http:// www.equiptrain.com. I don't have a clue how I found this site much less the book! [img]/w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif[/img]

    This is a very good book for operating/maintaining a back hoe and front end loader. The safety info about the tractor's changing center of gravity is pretty good as well as using the hoe and FEL to hop over ditches. I need to go back and reread the book. Lots of good stuff.

    I found my copy of the "Excavation and Grading Handbook" book that I had listed previously. This book is written for the contractor building roads and parking lots. Interesting but well beyond what I need to do on my property. If I was a paving/grading contractor this book would be in my work truck.

    I ordered the book I found on Amazon, "Backhoe Loader Handbook : Advanced Techniques for ..."
    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...531222-5787968

    Hope this helps....
    Dan McCarty


  5. #25
    Veteran Member GlueGuy's Avatar
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    Default Re: Backhoe learning curve

    I used a ditch witch to do the propane line to our house; about 140'. It did NOT handle the rocks very well at all. Small ones up to about 8" or 10" in diameter were OK, but larger were impossible. I ended up doing half of the trench by hand with a pick axe. [img]/w3tcompact/icons/frown.gif[/img]

    Since I had to go 24" deep, I had to use the "jumbo" model. It must have weighed 800 or 900 lbs. Was a mother bear to maneuver.

    One wheel dropped in a hole, and I could not get it out. If I had had Lucy, I would have done something different. At the time, the best I could do was chain it to the jeep to pull it out.

    The GlueGuy

  6. #26
    Veteran Member mikim's Avatar
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    Default Re: Backhoe learning curve

    Dem witches are heavy fer sure ... I've rented several over the years for a variety of reasons and you'll know you did a days work when you're done. The one thing I learned (the hard way of course) is always rent a bigger one than you think you need. the ones that say they'll dig 24" deep ... yeah but... you'll be using a trench shovel to clean out to reach that depth. I've used 'em in rocky areas too where the rocks were up to 12" in diameter and PLENTIFUL - in otherwise loose soil and it handled that --- otherwise it may be hoe time.
    mike


  7. #27

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    Kubota 2710

    Default Re: Backhoe learning curve

    I have a 4672 kubota hoe on my 2710. I just dig a ditch for a neighbor who wanted to run water to his new horse barn. Since you're up here in the northeast, you'll need a ditch at least 4 feet deep (I am assuming you want to go below the frost line). It would be cheaper to use a hoe than a trencher to go that deep. I am a newbie hoe operator, and I was able to dig the 100 foot trench in about 5 hours. This included the fussy work at both ends (can't understand why my neighbor cared about keeping the side of his brand new house unmarred[img]/w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif[/img]), and a 45 degree turn in the middle. I have a 12" bucket, and I would say that you could get 10/15 yards per hour dug per hour at that depth. If you have the 4690 hoe I should have bought, you could probably go about 10-20% faster (easier to reach the depth before moving the tractor)

    I vote buy a 90inch self-contained hoe!

    PaulT

  8. #28

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    B2710 HST,TLB R4's

    Default Re: Backhoe learning curve

    Boondox
    The most difficult part of having the BH maybe deciding to part with the $7k. Once you have it you won't know how you
    worked without one. I never ran one before I bought the Woods 7500 for my B2710 and I marvel at all the digging
    projects I've had in the 10 months since I bought it.
    Heck, I don't want to take it off the tractor. Take the plunge, you can always hire out to your neigbors. The
    self contained / frame model works very well. Good Luck


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    Try one of these, you do not have to worry about stones.
    http://www.wolfeequipment.com/wheel.jpg
    http://www.wolfeequipment.com/wolfe.jpg
    http://www.wolfeequipment.com/plow.jpg

    <font color=blue>Robert Turk Jr.</font color=blue>
    <font color=blue>Whitetail Splendor Deer Farms</font color=blue>
    <font color=blue>Silver Creek, NY</font color=blue>

    <P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1>Edited by Muhammad on 11/07/01 09:43 AM (server time).</FONT></P>

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    Default Re: Backhoe learning curve

    Ummm... where does the guy sit when he is piloting the first contraption there? Or is it a three-point mounted jobbie with it's own motor?[img]/w3tcompact/icons/crazy.gif[/img]


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