3 point 2 bottom plow

   / 3 point 2 bottom plow #21  
They say a picture is worth a thousand words, so I am attaching a picture showing my JD 790 plowing the spring soil. I had chains on my R4's and it was a chore all the way. There was actually standing water in some of the furrows as I came around. I took my loader off after this picture and it went alot easier. I think with ag tires and controlled weight on the front bumper it would have been no problem.

I worked the same plow on dry soil in the fall and cruised right along. This year my father-in-law is hooking me up with a Dearborn 3-point 2-bottom. I will let you all know how it goes.

This brings up a question; 3 pt vrs. pull or trailer type. I heard 3 pt pull alot easier and do a better job.
 

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   / 3 point 2 bottom plow #22  
It looks a little bit to wet to be plowing there. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
   / 3 point 2 bottom plow #23  
There may be plenty of sandy areas in the U.S. BUT... there's probably 100 times more land that's clay or loam soils than sand based soils. It's easy to say everywhere is like yours or my "home". In all likelyhood, neither are "typical". SOME areas MIGHT allow a 3 bottom plow on a 40 or 45 HP tractor. MOST don't. Most areas don't require 60 HP to pull 3 bottoms like they do here.

And then there's the issue of "how deep do you plow"? A 12" plow SHOULD bepulled at 6 to 7" deep MAX. 14" - 7 to 8", and 16"- 8" to 9". With that as a basis, a 3X12" plow would be moving a "cut" of around 216 sq. in. of soil. A 2X16" would be moving 288 sq. in. So..... 3 bottoms CAN pull EASIER than 2 in that regard.

One issue with a bigger plow is the WEIGHT they hang on the back of what is basically a lightweight tractor. (Refering to all the Fords and Fergies)

Back in the late 1960's, John Deere did research that proved it's far more efficient to pull a smaller load at a higher speed, than a big, heavy draft load at low speeds. More work is done in less time with small loads moving faster.

All in all, I doubt the two of us "hard heads" will ever relent on this debate, but it sure is fun!
 
   / 3 point 2 bottom plow #24  
DUDE, That's downright UGLY.....

3-point plows take advantage of Harry Fergusons idea where the weight of the plow, PLUS the draft suction apply weight to the rear wheels for more traction. 3-point plows don't always "pull easier", but they do make the tractor PULL THEM EASIER.
 
   / 3 point 2 bottom plow #25  
I'm actually glad i live in a sandy county.. we have very good drainage.

We have 'neighbors' that are a couple couties over that hold water on flat land due to the silt and clay content of the ir soil.. creates a real mess!

Soundguy

Soundguy
 
   / 3 point 2 bottom plow #26  
I live on top of a hil that's the highest point in 2 counties. Not much chance of flooding here. We're 485' above the lowest point in the county, which is just a mile from here.

We have clay soil, with slate/shale about 3' below the surface. about 2' below that, solid limestone.

If you happen to get low or level ground here, just a couple inches of rain makes slop mud. Summer you get ground like concrete. But it grows grass/hay like nobodies business. And this is burley tobacco country too. (Until a couple years back, that was my big moneymaker. The buy-out program and end of the quota system did that in though.)

In order to do much of any dirt work , we need to get the soil moisture "just right". Too wet and we get mudballs. Too dry and we get hard clods. Still, it's home and I wouldn't want to go anywhere else. (except maybe Maui!)

You'd like one thing about this area for certain. It's Ford/Massey Ferguson country. You'll find more MF/Ford utilities here than any other brand. (Deere is making some serious inroads though)
 
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