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I know I'm going to get alot of "I told you so's" but I wanted to share this for others that may be considering it.
My 3320 is a 32.5 HP tractor with 25 PTO HP.
My Howse 500 has a 55 HP gearbox and is recommended for a 25-45 HP tractor. Without a slip clutch, Howse recommends a Grade 5 bolt and it even says so on their website. Click on Z62, it's a Grade 5 bolt. I was never able to confirm this in their manual since I have been waiting several weeks for one and I still don't have it. Have I mentioned that Howse's customer service is terrible?
Howse Model 300, 350, 400 & 500 Parts Breakdown
So I purchased a new PTO driveshaft for my 5' rotary cutter at a local dealer. I gave them my tractor HP, PTO HP, and implement specs. They recommended a Tisco P/N AB4111WY. You can see the details by entering that P/N at this link.
Tisco Parts Catalog
It is a 4 series PTO shaft, which is rated for 35 HP & 460 Nm (torque) at 540 RPM. You can see additional details at this link.
PTO Specifications and Information
Despite the fact that Howse recommends a Grade 5 shear bolt, I was using Grade 2. However, they were popping way to easy and way too often. After I ran out of about 15 Grade 2 bolts (seriously), I decided to go with their Grade 5 recommendation. I have attached the results.
I noticed the problem when I went to collapse the PTO shaft and it would not collapse completely. I was hoping that it was a burr or dirt but I knew without looking that it was twisted. Removing the safety cover confirmed this.
I supposed it could have been worse. I could have damaged my RC gearbox or tractor PTO.
If my tractor is only 25 PTO HP, should a 35 HP PTO Shaft twist like this?
I was talking to someone about this and he said this is why you want to run at 540 RPM. He said that when running at lower RPMs, you are running at higher torques, which can damage things such as PTO shafts. Is this true?. It's a moot point though because I was running at 540 RPM the entire time.
I was reading online that typically a 5 series PTO shaft (48 HP & 620 Nm) is used for rotary cutting applications. Should I have purchased a 5 series instead of the 4 series? My dealer said that all his new Woods and Bush Hog rotary cutters are being supplied with 4 series drive shafts.
Needless to say, I just purchased a slip clutch at Agri-Supply for $63 plus S&H. I was given a price of $150 locally. This works out nicely because of the added length of the slip clutch. I will be able to un-pin the twisted shaft, cut the twisted portion out, drill it and re-pin it. The reduced length will make room for the new slip clutch and I won't need to purchase a new shaft.
Agri-Supply Slip Clutch
I still think that a shear bolt (Grade 2) is fine for field mowing. However, if you are mowing through thick brush like I am, then I think a slip clutch is a necessity.
Should I be using a Grade 5 or Grade 8 bolt on the slip clutch shaft holes?
Given the fact that you can't use a C-Ring to hold the slip clutch on to the gearbox shaft, I would think you would want a Grade 8 bolt on this side to ensure that it never shears. I think the slip clutch allows for a C-ring on the PTO shaft side. Given this, my guess would be to use a Grade 8 bolt on the gearbox side of the slip clutch and a Grade 5 bolt on the PTO shaft side.
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My 3320 is a 32.5 HP tractor with 25 PTO HP.
My Howse 500 has a 55 HP gearbox and is recommended for a 25-45 HP tractor. Without a slip clutch, Howse recommends a Grade 5 bolt and it even says so on their website. Click on Z62, it's a Grade 5 bolt. I was never able to confirm this in their manual since I have been waiting several weeks for one and I still don't have it. Have I mentioned that Howse's customer service is terrible?
Howse Model 300, 350, 400 & 500 Parts Breakdown
So I purchased a new PTO driveshaft for my 5' rotary cutter at a local dealer. I gave them my tractor HP, PTO HP, and implement specs. They recommended a Tisco P/N AB4111WY. You can see the details by entering that P/N at this link.
Tisco Parts Catalog
It is a 4 series PTO shaft, which is rated for 35 HP & 460 Nm (torque) at 540 RPM. You can see additional details at this link.
PTO Specifications and Information
Despite the fact that Howse recommends a Grade 5 shear bolt, I was using Grade 2. However, they were popping way to easy and way too often. After I ran out of about 15 Grade 2 bolts (seriously), I decided to go with their Grade 5 recommendation. I have attached the results.
I noticed the problem when I went to collapse the PTO shaft and it would not collapse completely. I was hoping that it was a burr or dirt but I knew without looking that it was twisted. Removing the safety cover confirmed this.
I supposed it could have been worse. I could have damaged my RC gearbox or tractor PTO.
If my tractor is only 25 PTO HP, should a 35 HP PTO Shaft twist like this?
I was talking to someone about this and he said this is why you want to run at 540 RPM. He said that when running at lower RPMs, you are running at higher torques, which can damage things such as PTO shafts. Is this true?. It's a moot point though because I was running at 540 RPM the entire time.
I was reading online that typically a 5 series PTO shaft (48 HP & 620 Nm) is used for rotary cutting applications. Should I have purchased a 5 series instead of the 4 series? My dealer said that all his new Woods and Bush Hog rotary cutters are being supplied with 4 series drive shafts.
Needless to say, I just purchased a slip clutch at Agri-Supply for $63 plus S&H. I was given a price of $150 locally. This works out nicely because of the added length of the slip clutch. I will be able to un-pin the twisted shaft, cut the twisted portion out, drill it and re-pin it. The reduced length will make room for the new slip clutch and I won't need to purchase a new shaft.
Agri-Supply Slip Clutch
I still think that a shear bolt (Grade 2) is fine for field mowing. However, if you are mowing through thick brush like I am, then I think a slip clutch is a necessity.
Should I be using a Grade 5 or Grade 8 bolt on the slip clutch shaft holes?
Given the fact that you can't use a C-Ring to hold the slip clutch on to the gearbox shaft, I would think you would want a Grade 8 bolt on this side to ensure that it never shears. I think the slip clutch allows for a C-ring on the PTO shaft side. Given this, my guess would be to use a Grade 8 bolt on the gearbox side of the slip clutch and a Grade 5 bolt on the PTO shaft side.
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