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    Default Will a 9n ford handle a 5 foot tiller

    Been doing some tilling for my cousin this spring. He is wanting to get his own tiller to put behind his 9n. Looking at a KK 60". I am not sure that the 9n has enough power for this. Anyone using a similar setup? Would hate for him to plunk down the greenbucks for something he can't use.

    Thanks for any replies.

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    Default Re: Will a 9n ford handle a 5 foot tiller

    HP yes... gear wise... No... tillers require a grany gear.

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    Default Re: Will a 9n ford handle a 5 foot tiller

    Thanks Mark,

    I meant to include gearing in my post.

    George

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    Default Re: Will a 9n ford handle a 5 foot tiller

    I'd say a lot depends on your soil. I do agree that you may not have a low enough gear to effectively do a 1 pass till, but I also would be concerned that 9N is probably not generating the same horsepower as when it was new. So if you have heavy soil, and if your engine is a little tired, then I'd be seriously concerned that you don't have enough HP. Even if you've had an engine overhaul recently, with heavy soil a 9N may not have enough HP and proper gearing. You may simply be better off with a smaller tiller than has an offest so 'side shift' it.




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    Default Re: Will a 9n ford handle a 5 foot tiller

    The 9n will run the tiller.. provided you had another tractor driving along in granny gear in front o f the 9n towing it a 1/2 mph.. etc. The 9n is at a disadvantage already as it is a 3 speed. the later 8n and NAA were 5 speed.. and then the 5-6-8-10 speed trannies came out in subsequent years..

    The exception to that is if the 9n is equipped with the rare and fragile howard post-tranny. It is a gear reduction unit after the tranny that only drops ground speed.. not pto speed... designed to be used with a howard rotovator.. but would drive any tiller..e tc.. I suppose an everet trencher tranny would work as well.. it does the same thing.. drops ground speed.

    Do not confuse this with a hupp or sherman pre-tranny.. they effect both ground and pto speed. Otherwise a 9n is a plow and discing machine.

    Move up to a 650 / 660 /6X1 or preferably the 850 /860 8X1 they have the 5 spd tranny and a slightly lower gear... the 8xx has a 172ci engine and about 45 pto hp.. the 6xx series are about 33 pto hp and 134ci with the 9n at 119ci and between 23-27 pto hp depending on a few things.

    Even better yet would be the 8x2 ford tranny from the thousand series.. or a good working SOS unit ( 10 speed automatic ).

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    Default Re: Will a 9n ford handle a 5 foot tiller

    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeW
    Been doing some tilling for my cousin this spring. He is wanting to get his own tiller to put behind his 9n. Looking at a KK 60". I am not sure that the 9n has enough power for this. Anyone using a similar setup? Would hate for him to plunk down the greenbucks for something he can't use.

    Thanks for any replies.

    George
    A tiller will "push" a tractor with the rotation of the tines. It takes adaquate HP transmitted through the pto to turn the tines, but HP demand to PULL it (forward) is minimal. Your gearing needs to be slow enough to prevent the tiller from pushing you along faster than the tiller can operate, sucking up all the available pto supplied hp. With a relatively low initial supply of hp (for a 5' tiller) AND gearing that's a bit fast for the task at hand, and you have a bad situation.
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    Default Re: Will a 9n ford handle a 5 foot tiller

    Ford 9N is a hobby tractor to drive around on the classic tractor parade. At least, when you have one over here in Holland. In North america, many more survived so they arent as rare as here.

    The transmissions of older Ford/MF series were just a pain. Not enough gears for a tiller, not enough gears for a baler, not enough weight for a cultivator... just a pain. The gas motors werent too forgiving torque wise either.

    Tell your cousin to get an MF 35 or 135 8 speed instead, at least, If he wants to spend the money.. In Holland a good 35 with the Perkins P3 is worth a 2000 Euro, and small tractors hold their value in America as well, i think.

    If your cousin wants to till his garden but not swap his tractor, he's better off with a Honda powered walk behind tiller.

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    Default Re: Will a 9n ford handle a 5 foot tiller

    Quote Originally Posted by Renze
    Ford 9N is a hobby tractor to drive around on the classic tractor parade. At least, when you have one over here in Holland. In North america, many more survived so they arent as rare as here.

    The transmissions of older Ford/MF series were just a pain. Not enough gears for a tiller, not enough gears for a baler, not enough weight for a cultivator... just a pain. The gas motors werent too forgiving torque wise either.

    Tell your cousin to get an MF 35 or 135 8 speed instead, at least, If he wants to spend the money.. In Holland a good 35 with the Perkins P3 is worth a 2000 Euro, and small tractors hold their value in America as well, i think.

    If your cousin wants to till his garden but not swap his tractor, he's better off with a Honda powered walk behind tiller.
    Heaven knows I wouldn't want to farm full time with only an early Ford or Ferguson, but back in their day, they filled a niche that no other tractor could.....CHEAP, AFFORDABLE, SIMPLE TO MAINTAIN POWER for the small farm. By the late 1930's, big farms were already mechinized. It was the small "southern farms" that were still battling with horses and mules that the little 9N was targeting. They weren't the answer to large acreage, but they sure beat plowing with a mule. Yes, they had their shortcomings when you matched them up against the "BIG BOYS" of the day, but those tractors were WAY out of the price range of the farmers struggling on little 30 or 40 acre farms. Henry Ford was always looking at the mass market of "the common man". Him and Harry Ferguson didn't have a great deal of interest in the big farmers of that day. They wanted a yet untapped market where the competition hadn't succeeded yet. (Create a need then fill it)

    They aren't the answer to most tractor needs today for sure, but they still fill a niche. CHEAP USED POWER.

    And yes, those 1st and 2nd generation Massey Fergusons that use the Perkins AD3-152 are still very much sought after here too. Same applies to later generation Fords.
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    Default Re: Will a 9n ford handle a 5 foot tiller

    The ones with the Standard diesel corporation engine (also used in certain A-C tractors) come cheap because the engines are indirect injected and dont have glow plugs. You have to use lots of ether and a fair amount of luck, to get them going when the temperatures drop. Next to that, their reliability was poor too. That's what makes them cheap in the market.

    The ones with the Perkins P3 engine you find in Europe, left the factory as a Petroleum tractor. Frank Perkins foresaw the European Diesel hype and offered his P3 engine as a complete conversion kit with instructions, to convert the petroleum 35 to Diesel using his P3 engine.

    The popularity of the P3 diesel conversion on petroleum tractors, made MF decide to change over to Perkins for the factory Diesel versions as well.

    Nowadays, the number of P3 conversed 35's exceeds the original petroleum version by a factor 10. The Perkins P3 conversed tractors are worth double that of the original MF diesel version, which is quite something: A version that wasnt even factory original, made it to collectors item and the original had, and still has, little popularity.

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    Default Re: Will a 9n ford handle a 5 foot tiller

    a local business here sells reconditioned/rebuilt Ford 8n's and 9n's as well. some gas, some diesel. they sell mostly to folks who need a small affordable tractor to do a little bush hogging with but dont have or want to spend the money on brand new equipment or even expensive used equipment.

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