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    Default Re: Cold weather start CT335

    Yes, -45C in Portage. I froze my radiator in my truck one day coming home from work. The fluid was rated to -45C.

    Sometimes you have no choice but to run equipment to dig yourself out or to remove a fallen tree that took out your hydro lines.

    It can get very cold here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by afoster View Post
    Thirty years ago in the north when it hit-40c you typically stayed home and didn't try running vehicles and equipment and is was an accepted thing to do. But now a days it doesn't seem to matter what the temp, is or the damage running your equipment in those temperatures will do; the expectation is you will start your vehicle and equipment and go to work. Doesn't make sense to me, but that is the trend up here.
    When it's that cold, the machine in question would get a blast from a herman nelson for an hour or so before we try to run it. At -45 or colder, it's just not worth your time unless it's life or death. Too many things get broken, and it's too hard on the equipment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by milkman636 View Post
    Any feedback from your dealer yet?

    As a new owner of the same model tractor, I am interested in what your dealer has to say about this issue.
    No I've had no response yet from the dealer. But then it's Christmas time and it has been bitterly cold here for the last week. So I'll give him a few more days to respond.

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    Default Re: Cold weather start CT335

    Metal gets brittle at those temperatures.

    Fluids become much more viscous, congeal or solidify at those temperatures.

    Which means that if you operate with any load before things warm up, you're chipping metal pieces off on the inside of your engine and tranny because they're both cold and un-lubricated.

    I'd love to see the stats on pin shears under those kinds of subzero temps; since those don't get the benefit of engine heat.

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    Default Re: Cold weather start CT335

    A no brainer, fully synthetic hydro fluid is necessary. kubota Super UTF, or Amsoil. Man that is cold weather. Think about a foam underbelly pan for the winter also. Made one for my VW bus. Kept oil temp just right for those frosty days.

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    Default Re: Cold weather start CT335

    that's cold, all right, but they run heavy diesel equipment on the North Slope of alaska in worse.

    I agree about preheating the equipment if you can't store inside. A torpedo heater and maybe a tarp for a windscreen to keep the heat around the tractor. My kubota owner's manual says for temps below -20C (-4F) to warm up the tractor at 50% of "rated rpm" for "more than 20 minutes".

    whatever that means

    I guess half the 540pto RPM (about 1400 rpm in my case) for 20-30 minutes before using the tractor. This is specifically to warm the hydraulic fluid, not the engine oil, BTW.

    Which of course reminds me of my Mother's favorite limerick:

    There was a young man from Quebec,
    Who fell into snow up to his neck.
    They asked, "Is you friz?"
    He said, "yes I is,
    But we don't call this cold in Quebec."
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    Quote Originally Posted by afoster View Post
    I received my new CT335 this week just as the temperature decided to drop down to -30C. The unit is equipped with, block heater, battery blanket and oil pan heater. I decided to try it out once the temp rose to -25c after being plugged in for several hours. It started no problem but I was startled by a whining sound coming from what I think is the HST drive pump (never owned a HST before just manual transmissions). As the unit slowly warmed up the sound went away. Does anyone have experience with these tractors in cold weather and can they tell me what they should sound like when starting up. All the other tractors I've owned; I would let them warm up about 20 min. before trying the hydraulics, but I never heard a sound like this coming from the hydraulic pump at start up before. Still waiting for a response from the dealer as well.
    Just want to bring this thread back on track. I would really like to get some response from other Bobcat tractor owners regarding cold weather start-ups as indicated in the above quote. I know all the pro and cons of synthetic oils, Herman nelson heaters for warming up the tractor etc. what I want hear is, what these tractor should sound like when started in a cold temp. So I can determine if what I'm hearing is a problem or just a normal sound for these tractors in a cold temp. Still waiting for a response from Bobcat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by afoster View Post
    Just want to bring this thread back on track. I would really like to get some response from other Bobcat tractor owners regarding cold weather start-ups as indicated in the above quote. I know all the pro and cons of synthetic oils, Herman nelson heaters for warming up the tractor etc. what I want hear is, what these tractor should sound like when started in a cold temp. So I can determine if what I'm hearing is a problem or just a normal sound for these tractors in a cold temp. Still waiting for a response from Bobcat.
    At -15C mine will whine for about a minute or so. If you're consistently at -25 or colder I would be looking for a heated storage space. Doesn't have to be room temperature to be effective.

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    Default Re: Cold weather start CT335

    The noise in your hydroststic pump which drives your hydroatatic motor is possibly cavatation, due to the thicken fluid being forced through the pump. I had read years ago that the newer hydrostatic transmissions in JD garden tractors needed light weight synthetic fluids, such as a 5w-50.

    Of course as the fluid heats up its flow improves, and the noise drops.

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    I did get a reply from the district service manger regarding the cold weather startup sound I was hearing. He did say a that in cold conditions a whinnig sound is fairly normal from these hydrostatic drives, but did qualify it, saying he would have to actually hear the sound from my machine to determine if it is normal or not. He also went on to explain how the drives work and what can cause these sounds. I was fairly satified with the explanation I got. But to be on the safe side of things I'm considering mounting a oil pan heater on the transmission case to help warm up the fuild at the same time the engine heaters are on during cold starts. I'm curious to know if anyone has possibly mounted a heater on their tramsission casing and if so what wattage rating they installed.

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