American made tractors?

[SnowRidge]

There are no American made tractors. They are all designed and manufactured outside of US.

Not so. Power Trac's are designed and built in Tazewell, VA. And yes, they are tractors. They are just a different kind of tractor.

 

[mboulais]

Not so. Power Trac's are designed and built in Tazewell, VA. And yes, they are tractors. They are just a different kind of tractor.

I have to agree with Peter's statement. Although power tracs appear to be usefull machines for the average homeowner and small landscapers, They are more closely related to a skidsteer than they are a traditional tractor. They don't make them big enough to compete with a 40-50 hp tractor either, do they.

No offense intended snowridge, I think they are a great looking machine. I just think the discussion is about traditional tractors.

 

[Builder]

I would not worry about it. This is now a global economy, just watch CNN for 3 minutes. I read a article about 1/2 year ago and the most "American Made Truck", in the 1/2 ton class, was the Tundra. The used part origin and man hours to calculate. The Dodge was the least American made.

Chris

Other than Lou Dobbs, I wouldn't believe anything that the "Clinton News Network" (CNN) reports to us. They are in the tank and so biased towards certain politicians.

 

[Builder]

There are no American made tractors. They are all designed and manufactured outside of US.

The only considerations these days are features/support/warranties.

JD, Kubota, Kioti, Montana, Mahindra are pretty much the same
price, +/- few thousands.

I would put JD/Mahindra in the Indian bucket, Kubota/Kioti/Montana in
the Asian (Japanese/Korean) bucket.

65HP+cab+FEL would cost 38K-44K regardless of the name or color.

I think it is too late for being patriotic. All these companies are
multinationals.

The only thing American about John Deere tractor is its name.

Untrue. JD, CASE, CAT & others design & build thousands of larger framed tractors right here in the USA. They may use some foreign parts, but the bigger they get, typically the more domestic content they have. I just watched a program on the History channel about JD and they crank out thousands of massive tractors in Iowa each year.

Smaller tractors might be lucky to have Titan tires and a US built loader, but that's about it.

 

[MessickFarmEqu]

Many companies do actually do stuff domesticly, just not compact tractors. The RTV's for most of the world are built in the US, as is the Kubota lawn equipment for the EU. New Holland has a HUGE hay equipment facility in New Holland, PA. All their skid loaders are done dometicly in the mid west in a Case IH plant. The combines are done here, many are exported... infact right now it seems like most are. Alot of heavy iron is, tillage, etc.

 

[SnowRidge]

I have to agree with Peter's statement. Although power tracs appear to be usefull machines for the average homeowner and small landscapers, They are more closely related to a skidsteer than they are a traditional tractor. They don't make them big enough to compete with a 40-50 hp tractor either, do they.

No offense intended snowridge, I think they are a great looking machine. I just think the discussion is about traditional tractors.

They make them to at least 65 HP. They aren't related to skidsteers at all.

 

[redneckford]

Many companies do actually do stuff domestically, just not compact tractors. The RTV's for most of the world are built in the US, as is the Kubota lawn equipment for the EU. New Holland has a HUGE hay equipment facility in New Holland, PA. All their skid loaders are done domestically in the mid west in a Case IH plant. The combines are done here, many are exported... infact right now it seems like most are. Alot of heavy iron is, tillage, etc.

So Why can't we build a componetized compact tractor from start to finish right here in the US??? Those guys in Pa build hay balers and send them all over the world----so labor cost alone is not the problem----any ideas????!!

 

[Builder]

So Why can't we build a componetized compact tractor from start to finish right here in the US??? Those guys in Pa build hay balers and send them all over the world----so labor cost alone is not the problem----any ideas????!!

My guess would be that superior small diesel engines & drivelines are generally built overseas and we can build competitive larger displacement diesels & drivetrains here in the US.

When's the last time you saw a small diesel engine built in the US that could compete with the likes of Kubota, Yanmar, Iseki, shibaura, etc.?

 

[redneckford]

My guess would be that superior small diesel engines & drivelines are generally built overseas and we can build competitive larger displacement diesels & drivetrains here in the US.

When's the last time you saw a small diesel engine built in the US that could compete with the likes of Kubota, Yanmar, Iseki, shibaura, etc.?

Don't laugh. but Briggs and Kohler can do it but they are afraid to fight the emissions standards that those size engine now have to adhere too.They may need a "stimulus package" to bring those engine and transmissions and rear ends to market! Bet Cummins and Cat can build some here if they just will----They do it in Korea and China. We have the know-how we just need the WANT TOO!!!! LOOK at the engines and hydro's they are putting on the Zero Turn Mowers. Convert one of those GM Hummer Factories to a Compact tractor FACTORY!!! I can't believe that all these companies are selling all these CUT's at a loss! Change is hard but it is time to think out side the standard box. The Foreign car MFG's have done it! Less Marketing and more SERVICE! We just need someone to take a risk on someone other than WALLSTREET!

 

[WilliamBos]

My guess would be that superior small diesel engines & drivelines are generally built overseas and we can build competitive larger displacement diesels & drivetrains here in the US.

When's the last time you saw a small diesel engine built in the US that could compete with the likes of Kubota, Yanmar, Iseki, shibaura, etc.?

I second that totally!! One engine I can think of, The 3.A/D152 Perkins was also built over seas. What does that tell you?? Thats is one reason CAT bought them from MF, they have no idea how to build a small diesel.

 

[Builder]

I second that totally!! One engine I can think of, The 3.A/D152 Perkins was also built over seas. What does that tell you?? Thats is one reason CAT bought them from MF, they have no idea how to build a small diesel.

Kubota is basically the gold standard for small diesel engines. No US company could build them as well to this point in time. I find it hard to believe anyone in the US ever will. It would be so costly in terms of tooling, set up, emissions, etc.

That's why 1/2 the stuff you see under 50HP has a Kubota under the hood.

Ford built some decent small gas industrial engines, that's about the only thing I can remember.

 

[Diamondpilot]

Untrue. JD, CASE, CAT & others design & build thousands of larger framed tractors right here in the USA. They may use some foreign parts, but the bigger they get, typically the more domestic content they have. I just watched a program on the History channel about JD and they crank out thousands of massive tractors in Iowa each year.

Smaller tractors might be lucky to have Titan tires and a US built loader, but that's about it.

I would not brag about those Titan Tires. Many many complaints about them. My 5 year old Titans look worse than my 40 year old Firestones.

Chris

 

[WilliamBos]

I would not brag about those Titan Tires. Many many complaints about them. My 5 year old Titans look worse than my 40 year old Firestones.

Chris

and firestones are not anything to write home about. If/when Michelin builds tires for compacts, I will be buying a set. They are they best tires in agriculture. As for their car/truck tires, well they need alot of work!!

 

[Builder]

To begin with, I didn't "brag" about them . I simply pointed out that they were American made.
However, I've got 3 pieces of equipment with Titan tires on them and I think they're excellent. Previous tractors I own with Titans always served me well, too.

Couldn't disagree with you more, D-pilot.

I guess you and I see the world differently on just about everything!

 

[WilliamBos]

I've got 3 pieces of equipment with Titan tires on them and I think they're excellent. Previous tractors I own with Titans always served me well, too.

Couldn't disagree with you more, D-pilot.

I guess you and I see the world differently on just about everything!

I agree. We have one set, so far real happy with them!!

 

[redneckford]

Kubota is basically the gold standard for small diesel engines. No US company could build them as well to this point in time. I find it hard to believe anyone in the US ever will. It would be so costly in terms of tooling, set up, emissions, etc.

That's why 1/2 the stuff you see under 50HP has a Kubota under the hood.

Ford built some decent small gas industrial engines, that's about the only thing I can remember.

Oh yes we can! We have the know how and the ability we just lack the WANT TOO!! Can't build very much stuff hitting golf balls----you gotta work at it every day 15+ hours a day 6 days a week---What a life building engines, tranmissions and rear ends all day---beats the heck out of flipping burgers. Can't everyone be the salesman----someone has to get their hands dirty!!!! Just not ME.

 

[Builder]

Oh yes we can! We have the know how and the ability we just lack the WANT TOO!! Can't build very much stuff hitting golf balls----you gotta work at it every day 15+ hours a day 6 days a week---What a life building engines, tranmissions and rear ends all day---beats the heck out of flipping burgers. Can't everyone be the salesman----someone has to get their hands dirty!!!! Just not ME.

Then maybe you oughta get off yer arse and get busy!

 

[redneckford]

Then maybe you oughta get off yer arse and get busy!

Might as well! Football Season is over we can't even beat that Lowly Saban team from Alabama!!!!

Just send me some MONEY and I will start on it Monday----Remember I didn't say which Monday!!! A---LOT of M---O---N---E---Y!!! PM for Pigeon Drop Zone Location!

 

[Diamondpilot]

To begin with, I didn't "brag" about them . I simply pointed out that they were American made.
However, I've got 3 pieces of equipment with Titan tires on them and I think they're excellent. Previous tractors I own with Titans always served me well, too.

Couldn't disagree with you more, D-pilot.

I guess you and I see the world differently on just about everything!

I guess so. I drink Coors Light, you are probably a Bud man. If your ever over this way hit me up and we can sit at a bar and argue all night. Probably wont fight over girls since our taste on everything else is different. Now that I think about it we probably make good drinking buddies. We could argue tractors, truck, politics, sports, women, unions, even gay marriage. Had to throw that in since its all over the tv today. Heck, maybe you will put me in your will. I want the backhoe, that new tractor, and your dump truck. Those things I love and would buy exactly the same.

Chris

 

[WilliamBos]

I guess so. I drink Coors Light, you are probably a Bud man. If your ever over this way hit me up and we can sit at a bar and argue all night. Probably wont fight over girls since our taste on everything else is different. Now that I think about it we probably make good drinking buddies. We could argue tractors, truck, politics, sports, women, unions, even gay marriage. Had to throw that in since its all over the tv today. Heck, maybe you will put me in your will. I want the backhoe, that new tractor, and your dump truck. Those things I love.

Chris

25 years ago, could you ever imagine us having this conversation?? Let me guess, you are gonna tell me you are 24 .