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    Default BX vs GC vs SC vs Max

    This thread may not be novel as countless others have gone through the pains of selecting the "perfect" tractor. For weeks now, I have been scouring Craigslist in the southeast, and visited/emailed several dealers. I'm shopping for "cash price" since there is no such thing as free financing, and I feel the best way to see all the costs involved is to shop for the best cash price.

    I started with the kubota BX series, and I really liked what I saw. I could find a number of used BX's, but the price was too close to that of a new one or was not equipped the way I wanted. I drove almost 2 hours to look at a Mahindra Max 25, and I really liked it. It is probably my favorite, but the best price I got was $14,800 + tax, which pushes it closer to $16K. I went to another dealer to compare the Max with the MF GC2400, but this dealer refused to sell a Max with a MMM because of some problems they have had in the past with MMMs from Mahindra -- something I have heard nowhere else. The price on the GC2400 was $13,900 + 9.25% tax. This was not enough to put the GC2400 ahead of the Max in my mind.

    So, I called a closer Kubota/Massey dealer, and received a price of $13,300 for the GC2400, and he had a few used ones. So I visited. None of the used ones had MMM's, and pricing was going to be in the $11K - $13K range for a used tractor with no warranty. So, we started to get serious about pricing a new GC2400 and see really how it compares. For reasons I cannot explain, I was quoted $11,700 for a new GC2400 + 60" MMM + FEL including delivery + 7% tax. Suddenly, used tractors became much less attracting, and even though I like the Max 25 better, I don't think it is $3,000 better. Then, to enter the dream arena, the GC2410 TLB was quoted at $17,200 with 60" MMM.

    I visited 2 Cub Cadat/Yanmar dealers, and received wildly different prices. One gave me a price of $14,700 ($15,800 with tax), and the other gave me a price of $12,500 -- he might even have some more he could go. It is a fine machine, and I like the position control, but I really like the GC2400 a little better and the dealer seems better.

    For grins, I decided to check out JD when I was getting some parts for my old 316. He had a 2007 2305 with 200 hours on it for $11,800. A new 1026R prices out ~ $17,900 with tax, and I just don't see enough difference to give it serious consideration. I was very interested in the 2305 until I found a new GC2400 for essentially the same price -- new is better, right?

    So now this is all coming to a head. From the reviews I have read, all of these are good machines and owners have been happy with them. All would be more than I probably "need" for my 3 acres, but I expect this machine to last me 20 years. In the past 8 hours, I have both been certain the thing to do is get the GC2400, and certain the thing to do is splurge on the 2410 since any hole I dig in the future will cause me to resent the fact that I did not go ahead and get a machine that would make digging more enjoyable. I wish I had a business or a large farm that would justify the added expense, but I just want to occasionally dig out stumps and clear out the trash left my generations past who thought the woods were a good place to dump their waste. Does that really justify $5,900?

    Not sure there is much to ask here. My story is probably not that atypical. The MF dealer told me it usually takes 6 visits to buy I tractor -- I'm only on 3! I hope to report ownership soon. These incentives are only good until July 31, but it seems to me likely they will be in August as well. One piece of wisdom, perhaps, to others who are shopping: make sure your dealer checks all the latest incentives, which appear to come out at the beginning of each month. The worst prices I received were from dealers that just look the prices up in a book and write them down. The best price came from the dealer who got on the computer and checked every current deal. YMMV.

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    Default Re: BX vs GC vs SC vs Max

    Does that really justify $5,900? Oh yea it does. Trust me, get the BH or you will be kickin your butt a year from now.
    Murph ------------

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    Default Re: BX vs GC vs SC vs Max

    I would like to hear more stories like that. Over the course of the years of service I expect to get from this machine, it is not a lot. Renting is probably more responsible. Emotionally, I want it, but my practical side is having some trouble with it. I really wish the GC were made so that you could add the factory BH later. You can add the Woods, but the seat will not be as nice, the ROPS is smaller, and the frame would not have as much reinforcement.

    If everyone who bought one writes and says how wonderful it is, and everyone who did not writes and says they wish they had, then maybe I can finally reach a decision.

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    Default Re: BX vs GC vs SC vs Max

    I wish the kubota BX's were ALL made same way too with subframe as well for BH, but for that reason alone is why I got the BX24 and I love it on my 2 acres. BH is easy off and I love fact I can dig holes with BH anytime with no time restrictions like a rental does and its easy to put back on. With BXpanded accessories and others available for BX, I can easily add on more goodies anytime. who cares if the BH sits for awhile - when you do need it, its worth it.

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    Default Re: BX vs GC vs SC vs Max

    Quote Originally Posted by radioman View Post
    who cares if the BH sits for awhile - when you do need it, its worth it.
    I agree !
    I was looking at renting a small excavator for a few weeks over this summer, to do some drainage ditches, etc. at $800 a week.
    Instead, last Sept. I bought a used (235Hrs) BX24 with MMM, rear snow blower & back blade for $16000. My line of credit currently charges 6%, so my annual cost of having this thing available 24/7 is under $1000. This is a no-brainer. What do you do with your weekly rental when it rains for 2 days?
    And the way these machines hold their value when properly cared for, I can probably sell the package in 5 years for $13000.

    You will never regret getting a 'useful' machine.

    Pete

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    Default Re: BX vs GC vs SC vs Max

    Quote Originally Posted by radioman View Post
    who cares if the BH sits for awhile - when you do need it, its worth it.
    I agree !
    I was looking at renting a small excavator for a few weeks over this summer, to do some drainage ditches, etc. at $800 a week.
    Instead, last Sept. I bought a used (235Hrs) BX24 with MMM, rear snow blower & back blade for $16000. My line of credit currently charges 6%, so my annual cost of having this thing available 24/7 is under $1000. This is a no-brainer. What do you do with your weekly rental when it rains for 2 days?
    And the way these machines hold their value when properly cared for, I can probably sell the package in 5 years for $13000.

    You will never regret getting a 'useful' machine.

    Pete

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    I got a 1026r with hoe and it never comes off. These small tractors need the ballast and it's worth 5k when you get unstuck with it and use it to tear out bushes.

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    Default Re: BX vs GC vs SC vs Max

    Quote Originally Posted by uglyboywith11fingers View Post
    I agree !
    I was looking at renting a small excavator for a few weeks over this summer, to do some drainage ditches, etc. at $800 a week.
    Instead, last Sept. I bought a used (235Hrs) BX24 with MMM, rear snow blower & back blade for $16000. My line of credit currently charges 6%, so my annual cost of having this thing available 24/7 is under $1000. This is a no-brainer. What do you do with your weekly rental when it rains for 2 days?
    And the way these machines hold their value when properly cared for, I can probably sell the package in 5 years for $13000.

    You will never regret getting a 'useful' machine.

    Pete
    thats exactly what I was thinking too. so far I used my backhoe for digging out 7 big stumps, fixing sewer line, fixing mailbox post twice, moved a few trees, fixed above ground pool as a ram to push a wall/post straight back up that still had water in it, dug holes for posts for my add on garage ... I could keep going on and on with what I done with BH so far. So far it really proved itself in terms of cost and no rental hassles.

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    Default Re: BX vs GC vs SC vs Max

    If you plan on keeping the tractor for 20 years - there may be multiple times over those twenty years when you find the need for a backhoe.

    Here are some "justifications" you might think about when deciding whether or not to spend that extra $5900:

    1) How many times over 20 years do you think you might have the need for a backhoe? Around here (Eastern MA/Southern NH) - anything with a backhoe on it (Terramite, small excavator, etc.) is going to rent for somewhere between $180 to $250 a day. Extrapolate out over 20 years how many times you might rent - and come up with a $$ number. Right there is money you would have spent anyway, apply that towards the cost of the backhoe.

    2) Things will only cost more in the future. $5900 now will cost a lot more 20 years from now. The rentals you might paid for 10 years down the road - that might cost $180 a day now - will cost $300 10 years from now.

    3) Never pick up a shovel again. The backhoes on any of the sub-compact tractors ( I used to have a BX23 now I have a B3200) - are so convenient to use that even if you might have just a small hole to dig to put in a tree - the backhoe is worth pulling out instead of the spade. Think of every time you might have had to take out a shovel to do even the most minor work - and now you can do it with the backhoe.

    4) Unforseen jobs. Once you have the backhoe you will "find" all sorts of jobs to do with it that you might have (maybe even subconciously) - not even thought of doing before. I dug down the whole back foundation of my house (down to the footer) with my BX23 - and waterproofed the concrete and put in footer drains. It took me a couple of weeks from start to finish - and it all started because we were getting some water coming in thru cracks in the foundation. If I didn't have the backhoe sitting there - I would have likely either not even considered doing the job - or I would have had to rent (probably a good 3-4 days of rental once it was all said and done) - or paid somebody to do it. Both of the latter options would have easily doubled or even quadrupled the cost of the job.

    5) Like radioman said: Hassle elimination. Just having it there means you have instant pull the key and insert to start access to getting a job done. Instead of waking up early - reserving a rental, or dealing with contractors - you just insert key and start to get working. Nothing in life is free (unless you work for the govt.) - and hassle reduction is worth some sort of $$ amount.

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    Default Re: BX vs GC vs SC vs Max

    Wow! So far everyone is anxious for me to spend more of my own money!

    I'm going to procrastinate the decision for a couple of weeks to make sure I don't screw up my anniversary, and to make a bit more progress on the "honey do" list before getting distracted by something new. Pricing is good at least until the end of the month, and I really need to go back and operate the BH a little -- I have only only operated the tractor and the loader. I'm sure I can come up with a list of jobs that will keep me occupied for a while, and right now, I am inclined to spend the extra and do it.

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