Thanks for the input! I have heard that some balers really like more than 80 PTO HP but that is for people that bale much more that I will ever do. I will just bale for myself. I figured if I continue looking for tractors in the 85 range, I should be ok. I typically but a box blade with weights on the back anytime I'm doing FEL work or stacking hay. The little 5030HSTC that I recently sold would handle a round bale on the front as long as you had one on the back or at least a box blade. It kinda felt like you was tippy toeing though when you got ahold of a large 5X6 heavy bale. I recently built a 100X40 three sided hay barn that is 16' at the lowest point so I could stack round bales 4 high, the small bota could not lift 2 bales at a time and wasnt tall enough to set the 4th bale on the top, so I'm looking forward to a bigger tractor to restack my hay and maximixe the space in the hay barn. It should hold approx. 400 if stacked 4 high and I moved all my trailers.