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    Default Re: Tier 4 is comming... now is the time to get off the fence!

    Quote Originally Posted by Piston View Post
    They're not going to stop manufacturers from making parts for older engines, they're just not going to make any more of the older style engines. It's like old antique cars, they aren't taking them all away from us, they just aren't making the dirty emission engines any longer. You don't need to pass emissions with your antique car, but of course they're not replacing the antique cars that go away.

    I don't know why everyone is freaking out about these Tier 4 engines. It's not the end of the tractor world guys, it's a change we have to deal with yea, but it's not the end like some of you make it out to be.
    Actually didn't they attempt to get rid of as many "antique cars" as possible when they issued "Cash for Clunkers"? I do not think people are "freaking out". I think knowing how our present government is working would certainly bring forth possible ramifications of any move coming from the government. I personally do not have "implicit" trust of this administration or for that matter, any administration. I, as others considering what has been shown to us thus far by this current regime, would be remiss not to have a healthy "suspect" of the current bunch now residing in Washington.

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    Default Re: Tier 4 is comming... now is the time to get off the fence!

    Tier 4 is kind off old news now in the farm tractor world (150+ pto hp), has been that way for a bit. I think the tractor folks have done a better job reacting to this than the on road truck industry. Prices certainly went up but in the process many of us learned that based on how the hp was used in previous machines that units where drasticly overpowered for the uses they where put to based on the computers logs. Some of the new approach is utilizing more of the engines cababilites instead of our thought that more power is better and that working an engine hard is bad. As noted earlier we still don't know how this affects overall engine life but the puchase of tier 4 row crop tractors has not slowed one bit and with these requirements there are additional great improvements being made ie. sequential/variable geomotry turbos, etc, etc. Hopefully we see some extended features that benefit the user more than the gov't with lower hp units as they are added (I think we already have, many cuts are now using ccu's, ecu's etc I believe this is a plus). One thing is for sure is that when large frame farm tractors went this route late model used machines gained in value substantailly. As there are more and more tier 4 units out there and the fear goes away those late model used machines declined in value (somewhat). The price increases for machinery is getting staggering and not all of that can be blamed on gov't engine restrictions everything is just getting more and more expensive. Not necc the best comparison as AG users have to have the equipment where homeowners may just want the equipment. My two cents, not necc acurate just what I percieved.

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    Default Re: Tier 4 is comming... now is the time to get off the fence!

    Quote Originally Posted by ctlguy View Post
    Tier 4 is kind off old news now in the farm tractor world (150+ pto hp), has been that way for a bit.
    I'm totally with you. Most farmers seem to have accepted Tier4. My concern comes in that as a % of purchase price the added cost is much more on a CUT, and its often more of a luxury than a need. I'm pretty sure we are going to price some people out of the market.

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    Default Re: Tier 4 is comming... now is the time to get off the fence!

    Tier4 doesn't bother the large farmers because they don't own the equipment. Most of it is on lease (warranty) and if it is owned, it will be owned by a co-op. It's also just another "cost of doing business" to them and is passed on to the next purchaser in the food chain.

    The folks that will really be burned by T4F are the folks who buy a piece of equipment with the intent of it lasting them for the rest of their lives, which is many of us hobby farmers. The increased costs in maintaining just the emissions system long term will be a "no-go." Many of the small time farmers in my area will take themselves out of the market before they are forced to buy a computerized tractor, much less one with a turbo, DPF, EGR, or one that takes yet another new fluid to keep on hand (DEF.) If they can't repair it on the homestead or farm, they won't own it.

    I simply hope for the sake of my dinner plate that when they do remove themselves from the market, someone else will be ready to step in. I have a feeling it will be a big time co-op who doesn't even own their own equipment.

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    Default Re: Tier 4 is comming... now is the time to get off the fence!

    Quote Originally Posted by jenkinsph View Post
    IMO it would be better to VOTE this year for those in favor of less regulations especially those coming from the EPA. Like most federal agencies they have done some good but they can't control themselves either and are making all of us suffer the consequences of their actions. End of rant.
    10-4!!!!
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    Default Re: Tier 4 is comming... now is the time to get off the fence!

    Quote Originally Posted by jenkinsph View Post
    IMO it would be better to VOTE this year for those in favor of less regulations especially those coming from the EPA. Like most federal agencies they have done some good but they can't control themselves either and are making all of us suffer the consequences of their actions. End of rant.
    Not a rant at all, I think you hit the nail on the head. All the regulations pouring out of Washington comes at a cost to the end user. Can a car be made to get 50 MPG, likely but I doubt the middle class will be able to afford one. Do we really need Tier IV-F on utility tractors given the typical number of hours used each year, no. Washington has lost their view of common sense. Like Messick indicated, Tier IV-F on small utility tractors is going to price them out of reach of many.

    Why did the rail and marine industries get a pass on Tier IV-F?

    If we don't slow down the regulators and get common sense back into their equations, we may just see them regulate us into financial extinction.

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    Default Re: Tier 4 is comming... now is the time to get off the fence!

    Quote Originally Posted by Monster5601 View Post
    Do we really need Tier IV-F on utility tractors given the typical number of hours used each year, no. .
    Or our chain saws, leaf blowers, weed wackers, lawn mowers... etc.

    I get highly annoyed at this whole movment when they do things like this that make so little sense. Why not tackle the biggest causes (like farting cows) rather than waste our time on such insignificant sources.

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    Default Re: Tier 4 is comming... now is the time to get off the fence!

    Quote Originally Posted by MessickFarmEqu View Post
    Why not tackle the biggest causes (like farting cows) rather than waste our time on such insignificant sources.

    I like cows, why not get rid of the farting government regulators instead?

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    Default Re: Tier 4 is comming... now is the time to get off the fence!

    Quote Originally Posted by jenkinsph View Post
    I like cows, why not get rid of the farting government regulators instead?
    You have my vote!! We're headed to you know where in a handbasket. WAY too much control, waste and cronyism in the government at all levels. Even in our little township. Several years ago, one of the township supervisors was voted out of office. The remaining buddies created a new township position with excellent wages and benefits to prevent their friend (or potential blackmailer?) from being unemployed. Multiply that by tens of thousands at the federal level.

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    Default Re: Tier 4 is comming... now is the time to get off the fence!

    Quote Originally Posted by jenkinsph View Post
    I like cows, why not get rid of the farting government regulators instead?
    LMAO.....I think the largest polluters (barring cars) are the myriad of commercial aircraft flying the bazillion routes they do on a daily basis. I wonder how many cars equivocate to the stuff coming out of one 757.

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