Page 5 of 6 FirstFirst ... 23456 LastLast
Results 41 to 50 of 56
  1. #41
    Super Star Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Posts
    13,355
    Location
    Northern Fingerlakes region of NY, USA
    Tractor
    Kubota L3830GST, B7500HST, BX2660

    Default Re: Shootout at high noon tomorrow

    Dad had an L3650 with filled fronts that didnt have any problems in the ~1400 hours it had when he sold it. It started life as a city machine for plowing sidewalks.

    Aaron Z
    A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
    Robert Heinlein, Time Enough for Love

  2. #42
    Bronze Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Posts
    83
    Location
    Camden, AR

    Default Re: Shootout at high noon tomorrow

    Thanks guys on the front tires advice. This is something I need to know before I make the biggert mistake of my life. Man, this is a lot of money for a poor country boy.

  3. #43
    Platinum Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Posts
    984
    Location
    Hartford, SD
    Tractor
    Kubota L3400F

    Default Re: Shootout at high noon tomorrow

    I believe generally the front axle of any tractor has enough weight from the engine and frame to keep it anchored. Filling the rears was developed to better pull tillage implements and improve overall efficiency. There has been numerous discussions about never widening the front axle to improve tipping resistance.

  4. #44
    Elite Member vtsnowedin's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Posts
    3,409
    Location
    central Vermont
    Tractor
    John Deere 5045E

    Default Re: Shootout at high noon tomorrow

    Quote Originally Posted by Piston View Post
    How much of a difference, stability wise, do you think it makes with loaded tires at your 90" width, vs loaded tires at the minimum width, of 79"?
    Obviously it is more stable at the wider stance, but I'm curious if it's a LOT more, or just a bit more? Hard to explain I'm sure.
    Here is a good explanation of the stability issue. Worth a read before setting up your tractor and working on sloped ground.
    http://www.nstmop.psu.edu/tasksheets...0Stability.pdf

  5. #45
    Elite Member
    Join Date
    May 2012
    Posts
    2,972
    Location
    Knoxville, TN
    Tractor
    Bobcat CT225

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by sdkubota View Post

    I don't believe fronts are normally filled because of the additional strain it would place on the axle. If a FEL is mounted that provides plenty of weight. Without an FEL I believe front hanging weights are the best solution.
    How does it strain the axle? Isn't the weight of a loaded tire riding on the contact patch not the axle?

  6. #46
    Platinum Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Posts
    984
    Location
    Hartford, SD
    Tractor
    Kubota L3400F

    Default Re: Shootout at high noon tomorrow

    Quote Originally Posted by joshuabardwell View Post
    How does it strain the axle? Isn't the weight of a loaded tire riding on the contact patch not the axle?
    Good question and I believe you are correct about the weight aspect but I believe it increases the inertia of the rotating wheel placing additional strain when turning, changing directions and breaking. I am not an expert in these areas regarding wheels and hopefully someone will jump in who is. Perhaps the front tires are routinely filled with fluid but I am not aware of any except the previous posters comment.

  7. #47
    Super Star Member TripleR's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Posts
    18,240
    Location
    Missouri
    Tractor
    Kubota M8540HDC, L5740HSTC, BX2200, BX2660, John Deere 425&1025R, Case, Massey Ferguson, Ford

    Default Re: Shootout at high noon tomorrow

    I am pretty sure my manual indicated not to fill the tires. I admittedly don't do everything in the manual, but I have never felt the need to put fluid inn them and don't know all the mechanical reasons. I have seen several people post who put fluid in their front tires; can't say it's bad, just never saw any need to and don't.

    Having said all that, I can't help but wonder what effect all that extra weights will have running over rough ground, roads, washouts etc. as a tractor does more than run down a smooth roadway. You have wheel hop, side loading and al sorts of forces depending on what you are doing. With the pivoting front axle, you can sure generate a lot of movement and momentum you won't get with a fixed axle like on the rear.

  8. #48
    Super Member Gary Fowler's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Posts
    9,665
    Location
    Bismarck Arkansas
    Tractor
    2009 Kubota RTV 900, 2009 Kubota B26 TLB & 2010 model LS P7010

    Default Re: Shootout at high noon tomorrow

    Quote Originally Posted by joshuabardwell View Post
    How does it strain the axle? Isn't the weight of a loaded tire riding on the contact patch not the axle?
    You are absolutely correct. Water in the front or rear tires puts less strain on the axles than putting on weights of equal weight. It will create a bit more strain on the fronts when turning if you are running in road gear but at normal operating speeds it would be negligble as far as excess wear. We ran water in all the tires on our big farm tractors and never, I said never had any issue with steering and I am talking about up to 10,000+hours on a tractor. There just isnt that much force generated at slow speed to cause damage. I have no idea why mfgs. say not to fill front tires as tie rod ends on my tractors look plenty heavy to handle the centrifical forces generated without an issue.
    As far as turning the front wheel dish, I cant see this being any harder on the wheel bearing either, just transferring the load from outside bearing to inside bearing. It does make it harder to steer though due to the wider distance and more force required to turn the wheel which will cause more wear to the steering arms tie rod ends.
    One thing to consider when setting the tire track: Make sure it fits on your trailer. My LS fronts were wider than the rears when I got it. I didnt notice this till I was putting it on the trailer and had to run the fronts over my fenders to load it. Luckily fenders are quiet strong on my trailer. Rears fit just tightly against the fenders @83" in width. I adjusted the fronts to match the centerlines of the rear by moving them in about 4".
    2010 LS P-7010C 20F/20R gear tractor & FEL, 2009 Kubota B 26 TLB, RTV 900 Kubota,17 foot Lund boat with 70HP motor, 2012-20 ft 12k GVW trailer, 2011- 52" Craftsman ZTR mower, 2013 Ferris Zero Turn, 3 weed whackers, pressure washer, leaf blowers, 7 foot bush hog, 8 foot landscape rake , 8 foot 3 PH disc, 2 row cultivator, 350 amp Miller AC/DC welding machine and all the tools needed to keep them all repaired and running.

  9. #49
    Veteran Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Posts
    1,100
    Location
    Wisconsin
    Tractor
    New Holland TC33D w/supersteer and loader

    Default Re: Shootout at high noon tomorrow

    My dad's Case 1390 (David Brown) 4x4 had it's front tires filled before he bought it. It always seemed like there wasn't enough air in the front tires when doing loader work. Then, when he replaced the front tires, he didn't have them filled to save money and felt like it was not needed. Now, with no fluid, they act like they have more air pressure in them and can can go over rocks without squishing down as much. You might say the new tires are stiffer tires, but when he had the first tire replaced, he had the fluid taken out of the other at the same time and it made a huge difference.
    NH TC33D, Lorenz 5ft blower, KK 60" tiller, Kubota RTV900, Stihl 026, 029, 361, 460, Husqvarna 2100cd, 261, Speeco 25t splitter, Cub Cadet 982, Deere x744

  10. #50
    Super Star Member ovrszd's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Posts
    10,844
    Location
    Missouri
    Tractor
    Kubota M9540, Ford 3910FWD, JD2210

    Default Re: Shootout at high noon tomorrow

    Quote Originally Posted by Gary Fowler View Post
    You are absolutely correct. Water in the front or rear tires puts less strain on the axles than putting on weights of equal weight. It will create a bit more strain on the fronts when turning if you are running in road gear but at normal operating speeds it would be negligble as far as excess wear. We ran water in all the tires on our big farm tractors and never, I said never had any issue with steering and I am talking about up to 10,000+hours on a tractor. There just isnt that much force generated at slow speed to cause damage. I have no idea why mfgs. say not to fill front tires as tie rod ends on my tractors look plenty heavy to handle the centrifical forces generated without an issue.
    As far as turning the front wheel dish, I cant see this being any harder on the wheel bearing either, just transferring the load from outside bearing to inside bearing. It does make it harder to steer though due to the wider distance and more force required to turn the wheel which will cause more wear to the steering arms tie rod ends.One thing to consider when setting the tire track: Make sure it fits on your trailer. My LS fronts were wider than the rears when I got it. I didnt notice this till I was putting it on the trailer and had to run the fronts over my fenders to load it. Luckily fenders are quiet strong on my trailer. Rears fit just tightly against the fenders @83" in width. I adjusted the fronts to match the centerlines of the rear by moving them in about 4".

    I get into this often with my Jeeps. A wheel with less back space puts considerable more pressure on the wheel bearings and, in a Jeep's case, the ball joints. The same effect would happen on a tractor. It's all about leverage. Kinda like pulling a nail with a claw hammer. It's easier if you hang on to the handle out by the end versus closer to the hammer head. Similar leverage is applied when the tire ground contact is made farther from the wheel bearing or ball joint. It would take someone a lot more scientific than I to give us a determination about reaching parts failure earlier with the wheel set out wide. But I know you will.
    Richard

    "Happiness isn't having everything you want, it's wanting everything you have."

Page 5 of 6 FirstFirst ... 23456 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Took new B2920 home at noon
    By gabrichter in forum Kubota Buying/Pricing
    Replies: 17
    Last Post: 02-23-2012, 10:30 AM
  2. Heavy Duty Pickup Shootout
    By dgl24087 in forum Trailers & Transportation
    Replies: 100
    Last Post: 09-02-2010, 11:17 PM
  3. SHOOTOUT - Skidsteer Vs Mini Excavator
    By dieselfuelonly in forum Buying/Pricing/Comparisons
    Replies: 20
    Last Post: 11-11-2008, 06:35 PM
  4. noon day tractor auction - any comments ?
    By anothaday in forum Buying/Pricing/Comparisons
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 07-21-2008, 12:15 PM
  5. UTV Shootout
    By lloyd123 in forum ATVs & Utility Vehicles
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 11-25-2005, 12:25 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
© 2016 TractorByNet.com. TractorByNet is a registered trademark of IMC Digital Universe, Inc. Other trademarks on this page are the property of their respective owners.