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    Default Re: Thoughts for downsizing

    Every tractor is a compromise between one larger and one smaller. But every tractor is just the right size for someone, for some job.

    I would tend to use what I have in a new situation, then see how it fits, or not. It can be hard to tell for sure in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloudrnnr View Post
    I should clarify, I know better than to try too much of a slope. I have had the L2800 on the back side of a tank dam as steep as the property and it was stable, but it wouldn't be comfortable to work regularly. It is also too large for the lawn portion (which really isn't that steep). One option really is to keep the L for snow and dirt and pick up a dedicated mower for the yard. I'd like one swiss army knife, but my 2800 only has 100 hours and there aren't many new machines that would be a straight trade even with adding the purchase price of a mower. Did I mention that my wallet squeals when I am forced to open it?
    Lots of recommendations here for buying a SCUT, CUT or specialty machine such as a Ventrac. I'm going to suggest your absolute most economical and sensible approach would be to keep your low hour L2800, configure it to handle your snow removal work and get the lawn mower of your choice for your 1 1/2 acre lawn, at least until you get moved and have a "boots on the ground" knowledge of what your work needs will be. You yourself said the L2800 has been a good machine, so hang onto it until you get settled into your new digs. Maybe after a while you'll figure out some other equipment would work better, but there's no need to jump the gun. If the previous owner got by with a lawn tractor and his ATV, surely you can get by for a while with a lawn tractor (or whatever) and an L2800. Furthermore, you'd feel awfully silly if you sold your L2800, spent your hard-earned money on other equipment, moved to Idaho and only then discovered that an L2800 size machine would have been the perfect tool for your new property.

    Unless you have money burning a hole in your pocket, why take a chance like that? Besides, you may not come to regard having only one machine as a convenient simplification in your life once you figure out dirt moving season overlaps with mowing season and you have to change your one machine from lawn mower to dirt digger and back at least once a week. Your decision, but I thought you might want to consider another perspective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gittyup View Post
    Ther is a line where a tractor becomes a lawn mower (garden tractor at best). Subcuts broaden and bridge that line. In doing so, they are too light with marginal hydraulics to be effective as real tractors. Yet bigger, higher, and not nimble enough to compete with the best GT's for mowing and hills. They are good not great mowers, and fair at best for earth moving, lifting, and towing. As a standing power plant, they do offer good to excellent HP for still applications. As mich as I'd like to be a fan because I long for one machine that can do it all pretty well, I haven't seen one yet that meets my expectations. The mahindras max is the closest I've seen. Though there are still better GT mowers. I just wish it were a bit more refined with loader controls, a 3-range HST, and better implement connectivity. The JD 2320 and 2520 are the closest to meeting what I expect. But the price isn't so great and they have their own warts too.
    Well, first we need to compare 'apples to apples'.......

    Mahindra doesn't make a 'subcompact' The MAX 22/25 is nothing more than the old 1816 series CUT tractor with a new name(the specs on Mahindra's site will prove this).

    So with that hogwash out of the way...........we have several things to look at. Mowing, ground engagement, towing, snow removal.

    All the above can be accomplished with various attachments with a subcut tractor. A subcut has the FEL, MMM(with mid PTO), and 3pt. hitch, which is what the OP asked for. While I wouldn't suggest putting a 'haywagon' behind a 'subcompact', a little smaller trailer would haul sufficient firewood for several hours work easily.

    Grass mowing.......While JD,Kubota, Massey may not be in the Simplicity line of cutting, I'm darn sure any of the above would suit the OP's needs(but then again Simplicity makes a nice tractor with an FEL.

    Dirt moving: While a 'cut' tractor will outperform a 'subcut in this area..........I can bring a lower horsepower excavator to your property and put your CK to shame in a heartbeat.

    Hole digging: I've dug some fairly deep holes with the FEL on my subcompact, surely a little slower than a 'cut tractor........due to the weight factor...........but I can still mow around my bushes with the MMM........thus a 'single purpose macine. I've also dug out small saplings(handily I might add), and if Everything Attachments would build that 48" grapple I would be set.

    Snow removal: OP wanted a front mount blower. THe front mount blower for all the 'subcompacts' I listed is 1/5th the cost of the front mount blower(Erskine 540 PTO driven front mount) he can get for a 'cut' machine.

    Ground engaging: I can pull a single bottom plow(but I chose a rototiller to save fuel). I haven't pulled a boxblade yet, but I do have a backblade.

    Now if you want to continue to argue, we can. You will lose this battle.

    A subcut is capable, it will just take a little longer . I purchased my 'subcut' as a comprimise.........'cut'=larger and cut more limbs to fit under, larger storage area, 3pt. attachments to mow, rear blower(unless I spend 10K on blower).

    As I said...............I did not recommend a 'subcut' to the OP because of his driveway maintenance, but everything else could be done nandily with a 'subcompact'

    And while 'YOU' may call it a 'garden tractor' , you would be of the 'ill-informed' that won't malke many friends in the 'subcut' crowd.
    Don

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grandad4 View Post
    Lots of recommendations here for buying a SCUT, CUT or specialty machine such as a Ventrac. I'm going to suggest your absolute most economical and sensible approach would be to keep your low hour L2800, configure it to handle your snow removal work and get the lawn mower of your choice for your 1 1/2 acre lawn, at least until you get moved and have a "boots on the ground" knowledge of what your work needs will be. You yourself said the L2800 has been a good machine, so hang onto it until you get settled into your new digs. Maybe after a while you'll figure out some other equipment would work better, but there's no need to jump the gun. If the previous owner got by with a lawn tractor and his ATV, surely you can get by for a while with a lawn tractor (or whatever) and an L2800. Furthermore, you'd feel awfully silly if you sold your L2800, spent your hard-earned money on other equipment, moved to Idaho and only then discovered that an L2800 size machine would have been the perfect tool for your new property.

    Unless you have money burning a hole in your pocket, why take a chance like that? Besides, you may not come to regard having only one machine as a convenient simplification in your life once you figure out dirt moving season overlaps with mowing season and you have to change your one machine from lawn mower to dirt digger and back at least once a week. Your decision, but I thought you might want to consider another perspective.
    And this is by far the best advice given. I wouldn't change a thing till I got a 'heads-up' on the property. But don't discount a 'SCUT' if it fit's your needs later on.
    Don

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don87 View Post
    Well, first we need to compare 'apples to apples'.......

    Mahindra doesn't make a 'subcompact' The MAX 22/25 is nothing more than the old 1816 series CUT tractor with a new name(the specs on Mahindra's site will prove this).

    So with that hogwash out of the way...........we have several things to look at. Mowing, ground engagement, towing, snow removal.

    All the above can be accomplished with various attachments with a subcut tractor. A subcut has the FEL, MMM(with mid PTO), and 3pt. hitch, which is what the OP asked for. While I wouldn't suggest putting a 'haywagon' behind a 'subcompact', a little smaller trailer would haul sufficient firewood for several hours work easily.

    Grass mowing.......While JD,Kubota, Massey may not be in the Simplicity line of cutting, I'm darn sure any of the above would suit the OP's needs(but then again Simplicity makes a nice tractor with an FEL.

    Dirt moving: While a 'cut' tractor will outperform a 'subcut in this area..........I can bring a lower horsepower excavator to your property and put your CK to shame in a heartbeat.

    Hole digging: I've dug some fairly deep holes with the FEL on my subcompact, surely a little slower than a 'cut tractor........due to the weight factor...........but I can still mow around my bushes with the MMM........thus a 'single purpose macine. I've also dug out small saplings(handily I might add), and if Everything Attachments would build that 48" grapple I would be set.

    Snow removal: OP wanted a front mount blower. THe front mount blower for all the 'subcompacts' I listed is 1/5th the cost of the front mount blower(Erskine 540 PTO driven front mount) he can get for a 'cut' machine.

    Ground engaging: I can pull a single bottom plow(but I chose a rototiller to save fuel). I haven't pulled a boxblade yet, but I do have a backblade.

    Now if you want to continue to argue, we can. You will lose this battle.

    A subcut is capable, it will just take a little longer . I purchased my 'subcut' as a comprimise.........'cut'=larger and cut more limbs to fit under, larger storage area, 3pt. attachments to mow, rear blower(unless I spend 10K on blower).

    As I said...............I did not recommend a 'subcut' to the OP because of his driveway maintenance, but everything else could be done nandily with a 'subcompact'

    And while 'YOU' may call it a 'garden tractor' , you would be of the 'ill-informed' that won't malke many friends in the 'subcut' crowd.

    You don't have to justify your subcut's capabilities to me. If it meets your needs and you are happy, then enjoy. Thousands of others are certainly in that camp. I'm just not one of them. But, I won't lower myself to personal attacks. I think my assessment is fair and right on: Subcuts are good, not great mowers, and fair, not good earth machines. They are what they are. No more no less.

    BTW, I never called subcuts GT's. I said they bridge the gap between CUTS and GTs. They are certainly larger and capable of more all around tasks than most GTs. Please read more carefully next time. I have a GT. I know what they are. And my GT will mow circles around any subcut standard frame tractor. Why? Because it is designed with mowing as priority one. It doesn't compromise mowing to be something more. On the other hand it would be a lousy loader, and couldn't pull a row plow effectively. I am far from "ill-informed", sir. I just call them as I see them, without rose colored glasses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gittyup View Post
    You don't have to justify your subcut's capabilities to me. If it meets your needs and you are happy, then enjoy. Thousands of others are certainly in that camp. I'm just no one of them. But, I won't lower myself to personal attacks. I think my assessment is fair and right on: Subcuts are good, not great mowers, and fair, not good earth machines. They are what they are. No more no less.

    BTW, I never called subcuts GT's. I said they bridge the gap between CUTS and GTs. Please read more carefully next time. And I have a GT. I know what they are. And my GT will mow circles around any subcut standard frame tractor. Why? Because it is designed with mowing as priority one. It doesn't compromise mowing to be something more.
    I'll start with the last first.............I never said you did call a GT a subcut(although you did imply it)

    And I am not personally attacking you(so to speak), but your terminology, and understanding of 'subcompact tractors', is leaving a lot to be desired.

    A 'subcomact' is a 'tractor' in every regard............except that it is smaller and lighter. But don't disregard it's potential just because of looks............they are very powerful machines, that are very capable of doing massive amounts of work, just a little slower than a 'cut' tractor.

    What upsets me, is when an uninformed person comes to the forum and says that 'subcuts' are nothing more than a 'garden tractor'...........that is misinformation, by an uniformed person. Nothing more/nothing less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloudrnnr View Post
    I should clarify, I know better than to try too much of a slope. I have had the L2800 on the back side of a tank dam as steep as the property and it was stable, but it wouldn't be comfortable to work regularly. It is also too large for the lawn portion (which really isn't that steep). One option really is to keep the L for snow and dirt and pick up a dedicated mower for the yard. I'd like one swiss army knife, but my 2800 only has 100 hours and there aren't many new machines that would be a straight trade even with adding the purchase price of a mower. Did I mention that my wallet squeals when I am forced to open it?
    Trust me, if you are happy with the L2800, you should keep it, and get the mower.. You will be lots of money ahead, have a better setup overall, and you will have a machine you already trust on the slopes.. win,win win situation.. That is my 2 cents worth... good luck..

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    I agree to keep the tractor and get a mower, then you will have a good one of each type. Moving from the L2800 to a subcut would be a dissapointment I suspect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don87 View Post
    A 'subcomact' is a 'tractor' in every regard............except that it is smaller and lighter. But don't disregard it's potential just because of looks............they are very powerful machines, that are very capable of doing massive amounts of work, just a little slower than a 'cut' tractor.
    Just wrong. It can't do everything. Not even close to everything, even if given an eternity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grandad4 View Post
    Lots of recommendations here for buying a SCUT, CUT or specialty machine such as a Ventrac. I'm going to suggest your absolute most economical and sensible approach would be to keep your low hour L2800, configure it to handle your snow removal work and get the lawn mower of your choice for your 1 1/2 acre lawn, at least until you get moved and have a "boots on the ground" knowledge of what your work needs will be. You yourself said the L2800 has been a good machine, so hang onto it until you get settled into your new digs. Maybe after a while you'll figure out some other equipment would work better, but there's no need to jump the gun. If the previous owner got by with a lawn tractor and his ATV, surely you can get by for a while with a lawn tractor (or whatever) and an L2800. Furthermore, you'd feel awfully silly if you sold your L2800, spent your hard-earned money on other equipment, moved to Idaho and only then discovered that an L2800 size machine would have been the perfect tool for your new property.

    Unless you have money burning a hole in your pocket, why take a chance like that? Besides, you may not come to regard having only one machine as a convenient simplification in your life once you figure out dirt moving season overlaps with mowing season and you have to change your one machine from lawn mower to dirt digger and back at least once a week. Your decision, but I thought you might want to consider another perspective.
    And this is by far the best advice given. I wouldn't change a thing till I got a 'heads-up' on the property. But don't discount a 'SCUT' if it fit's your needs later on.



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