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    Default Re: Diesel generator for home back up use

    The latest direct drive Generacs are much improved over the belt driven vertical shaft units they used to sell. Generac's other fault used to be over rating the generators which would burn out in hot weather. Operating inside an enclosure makes it even more of a issue.
    Of course how many home owners bought a 10KW unit and tried to run a 15KW household?

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    Default Re: Diesel generator for home back up use

    Quote Originally Posted by grsthegreat View Post
    well, all i can say is ive been installing generator sets for nearly 30 years. I would say 90% of them have been generac or guardian brands. I DONT sell either..i only install.

    Of all the units ive personally installed, ive NEVER had a call back for a failed unit. Thats not aying they called someone else, but ive been called to replace batteries, add heaters,etc on them. No failures ever.

    Thats with 100's of installs over the years.

    take that for what its worth
    Another bunch of lucky owners, it would seem!

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    Quote Originally Posted by huntgrouse View Post
    Okay, here is a little input based on the feedback so far.
    I live in a rural area. Tight valleys, lots of trees down when the snow and or freezing rain drops crap on all the lines. Plus the outages have become more frequent and longer lasting. If it were just me, ****, candles, a fire pit and some canned food would be all I need. But let痴 be realistic. If you have a significant other, I don't care how much she is your best friend, soul mate, etc. ; take away their comforts for so long and they turn into ........!!!!...... so as far as rouging it with a minimal generator capacity that allows me to run the freezer and fridge and then rotate to cook on the electric stove and a few lights, that's not happening. Then throw an elderly mother who lives a couple of miles away who comes and stays with us when the power goes out, that compounds it more.
    1. Based on what I gather from several KW calculator sites, my BX 25 is not really suited for a PTO generator of 10K size. On top of that, normally during winter, I need the kubota for other things like snow removal and dicking around with a PTO generator, and then disconnecting to plow/blow and back to the other is not my idea of fun.
    2. My power requirements are: Fridge, freezer, stove, lights, and oil fired furnace which includes tank less coil so all hot water comes from this, water well pump, computer, TV. Obviously, all of these things won稚 be operating at the same time and some can be disconnected to run others. I do not burn wood.
    My son in law, who is a licensed commercial electrician went over all of my electrical demands etc. and came up with the 10KW requirement. Not pie in the sky hypothetical estimate.
    3. This would not necessarily be 24 hour operation. It would have to depend on the situation but I don稚 foresee 24 hr. ops except maybe in the winter if my elderly parent is there (for heat)
    4. Another option other than the 10KW Kubota Generator or similar is to get one from here: PRO-SERIES Diesel 7000-Watt Generator with Digital Control Panel and Remote Start-GENSD7D at The Home Depot . While this is a Chinese manufactured generator, At least with HO, there is somewhere to go through for parts and they have a warranty.
    6500 Watts continuous. At this price I could buy two if needed!! LOL. With veterans discount, take off another 10% and it seems like a decent price considering what good quality gas jobs go for.
    5. Availability of fuel. Diesel definitely gets the nod. With two 275 Gal. tanks on site and a third waiting to be installed, I have more than enough fuel capacity for a long term situation. The realities are that with at least one kid still at home (in school), plus the elderly mother issue, I need more than bare basic. But I also understand the laws of diminishing returns with regards to cost/ benefit of the 7KW vs. the 4X more expensive 10KW.
    6 Anyone have any experience with the generator listed above that HD sells
    I have no experience with that HD generator but this is how I see it. A 90 day warranty on a no-name engine would worry me. Yes it's cheap but if it does break it'll break when you need it the most. There were lots of people who found out the hard way when Sandy hit that a generator that doesn't start is no better than not having one. Unless you are handy trying to find someone who can work on a generator during a time of crisis is next to impossible. I'm sure HD will be nice as they try to help you get parts and maybe in a couple of weeks they'll take care of you but that's not going to do you any good. If you look around some I think you could save a few bucks and find a generator with a refurbished name brand engine. Just make sure you ask for details on the generator. I personally would expect to spend around $5k for a diesel generator to get the correct size.
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    Default Re: Diesel generator for home back up use

    Huntgrouse,

    Something to consider with the HD genset. A lot of electronic equipment "frowns on" dirty power. Power that fluctuates in either voltage or frequency. I live off grid, so all my "generated power" is fed to my inverters. They monitor the power for quality before hooking it to the house.

    When we first started, I had an old Coleman 5000w generator. It would not sync to my inverter. I found that the frequency fluctuated from 52 - 75 hertz. I bought a new Generac 8500w and it works perfectly. (OMG its a portable, gas powered, air cooled Generac!) I've had it 4 years and, other than the battery crapped out, its been great.

    The point being, cheap may just be cheap! Be careful.
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    Default Re: Diesel generator for home back up use

    So you want a cheap diesel genset?
    CL Alexandria, VA
    $700
    Selling an Air-cooled Launtop Diesel Generator 6000S for $700. Model 6000S, manufactured in 2010. Silent. Comes with 2 keys.
    voltage 120/240V, frequency 60Hz
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    Ultralow Sulfur fuel only
    DC 12V 8.3A
    AC120V/240V
    AC120V
    60 Hz
    Cont. AC output 5.0 KW
    Max. AC output 5.5 KW
    power Factor 1.0
    Location: Alexandria, VA Kingstowne
    My rides - '95 Kubota M4700 w/ PEC, LA1001 FEL :'07 B7610, LA352 FEL, Bush Hog SBX 48 box blade, '09 Woods BH70-X w/ 16" bucket and thumb, 3pt pallet forks, Dale Phillips PHD, Jinma 8" chipper, 2 Piranha's, Winco 12KW PTO generator, Howse plow, 5' KK tiller, 5' Big Bee cutter, with a 2002 7.3L Ford F350 CC DRW 4x4 and '07 18' Hudson HSE Deluxe trailer - 5 Ton to haul it all

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    Default Re: Diesel generator for home back up use

    What a sad low the much copied descendents of the mighty 10HP Yanmar eG55 have become.
    I wonder what a real Yanmar eG55 retails for now?

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    Default Re: Diesel generator for home back up use

    Quote Originally Posted by buickanddeere View Post
    What a sad low the much copied descendents of the mighty 10HP Yanmar eG55 have become.
    I wonder what a real Yanmar eG55 retails for now?
    Around $5000 in aus Yanmar Diesel Generators ~ Best Prices & Advice

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    Quote Originally Posted by buickanddeere View Post
    What a sad low the much copied descendents of the mighty 10HP Yanmar eG55 have become.
    I wonder what a real Yanmar eG55 retails for now?

    I agree, buy a cheap copy of some other companies stolen design and engineering work is well WRONG. Nothing I wan't to be a part of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scooby074 View Post
    Nope. His was (over) sized to code and installed by an electrician. I believe its a "20" kW as well.

    He's not the only one. Generacs have a very high failure rate.

    When figuring failure rates it's important to take into account that Generac sells more units than anyone else..

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    Been a very long time since posting to TBN however, not getting into the why's and why not's, we have lots of major power outages where I live,, End of the line, not many homes and the electric company just can't see updating lines for a few homes, Anyway, after 18 years with a gas powered 14Kw and it burning up,, a couple of months with a new Honda 6500 inverter, we finally have installed a brand new Winco genset,, Diesel powered 20,000 at 83 amp continuous output,, Has the triple lined steel tank under it with 130 gallons of diesel,, It is suppose to run 24/7 for 9 1/2 days however I have an over ride switch and shut it down. We are so use to warming the house, cook, take a shower and shut the old gas job off that we now have the same set up again.,.. Total costs with 130 gallons of fuel was a few dollars over $15,000. This is with automatic switching, underground piping, the whole works. Winco, with exception of the Isuzu 4 cyl engine is supposedly 100% American made outside of Minneapolis MN.

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