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    Default Re: APPLES to APPLES - comparisons between Cab HST models around 50 HP (SPREADSHEET)

    Quote Originally Posted by TSO View Post
    Ouch! As stated, all the prices I posted were for CAB tractors ... what would JD have gotten you for had you bought a CAB ?
    Was thinking the same thing....figure at least another $5-6K easy. Granted, the BH adds a big chunk, but still...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GManBart View Post
    Was thinking the same thing....figure at least another $5-6K easy. Granted, the BH adds a big chunk, but still...
    The JD 4520 w/cab will be around the same price as the kubota 5740: 4520 and 5740 have the same 50HP PTO. The JD 4520 will be pretty price competitive to the Kubota 5740 and Massey 1660 if you have the right JD dealer. I got my 4520 Cab tractor with air ride seat, one rear remote, 400CX loader, the economy PTO, skid steer attachment and 72" round back heavy duty bucket with reversible cutting edge for 41k out the door including tax. The JD was only 1k more than the Massey 1660 w/cab and $700.00 more than the Kubota with all the additional JD features I mentioned.
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    Default Re: APPLES to APPLES - comparisons between Cab HST models around 50 HP (SPREADSHEET)

    Here .. I updated the spec-sheet showing the JD 4320. I can't find their warranty info on the website. Also can't find the weight of the 400cx loader, or the overall length. Also keep in mind, that price does not include the optional remotes OR telescoping 3pt lift arm ends... not sure what they up-charge for those items. The JD specs are pretty low compared to the rest of the bunch, with the exception of hydraulic flow - they have the highest implement flow of the bunch.

    And folks... I'm not trying to pick fights or bash any tractors. Clearly mine isn't leading the group in ANY single category. This is just objective specific information on the capability & capacity of each unit. In the world of "HST CAB Tractors around 50 hp" these are the closest machines I can compare.
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    Massey 1648 HST Cab - Hustler Z Diesel 66" mower
    2007 F450 Crew - 20' PJ Equipt Trailer
    QA 6ft bucket * 5ft Custom Grapple Bucket * QA Forks * 8ft Rhino Back Blade
    7ft Rhino Box Blade * 7ft LandPride Rake * 6.5ft KK HD Box Disc * Middle buster plow
    WorkSaver SG-26 Stump Grinder * Wallenstein BX42s Chipper * 8ft Ford Brush-Mower
    7.5ft QA Western snow plow

    370 hrs @ 12/14/14

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    Default Re: APPLES to APPLES - comparisons between Cab HST models around 50 HP (SPREADSHEET)

    TSO, I did the same sort of spreadsheet when I was tractor shopping for the same type of tractor as you - Cab, 50hp and HST.

    I eliminated the TYM 503 because of the lack of dealer support in my area.

    I eliminated the Mahindra 5010 because I just didn't like the ergonomics as much as I did the kubota and the LS. And not having extendable lower lift arms puzzled me.

    I liked the Kioti but eliminated it because there were no dealers near me. So I was deciding between the LS XR4046 and the Kubota L4740. Then my closest dealer (who has been around a long time) started carrying Kioti.

    I eliminated the Kubota just because of the price difference between it and the Kioti and LS. Between the Kioti and LS it was a coin toss. I finally picked the Kioti but could have been equally happy with the LS (or the Kubota if my wallet could have stood the extra damage).
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    Default Re: APPLES to APPLES - comparisons between Cab HST models around 50 HP (SPREADSHEET)

    I hear ya PP... I actually sat in a DK45 today. The 1 thing I don't like about the Kioti cab is the seat. It feels like it tilts me forward too much. If there was a way to tilt it back, I couldn't find it. I was also disappointed that it didn't have arm rests. I do like the Kioti tractors tho, and they have a sweet spot in my heart from my experience owning one before.

    My LS dealer should be getting an XR4046 cab this week sometime, so I may sit in that soon. I might go sit on a Mah 5010 tomorrow if I have the time. I talked to the Mah dealer today on the phone. He too was puzzled by the lack of telescoping arms. However, he gets around it by installing a quick-hitch on every 5010 he sells, which he says fixes the problem most of the time. I've never used a QH before, so I can't comment on one. I think that most, but not all, implements are compatible right?

    The Mahindra dealer is about 40 miles from me. I also have a TYM dealer about 30 miles away, but he doesn't have any more T503's. The next closest TYM dealer is about 150 miles away, and he does have 2 I can choose from. He's been very friendly & helpful (actually a member here on TBN) and I'd rather pick the TYM over the Mah because I'd like to give the Perkins diesel a go, and the TYM has better standard features than the Mah, including the extendable 3pt lift arms. TYM also has the better warranty, and the loader is better than my LS loader.

    The Kub dealer is literally just up the road from me and I've sat on & played with their tractors... and my local Kioti dealer also sells Massey, although he can't get any 1648's (ANY cab Massey's for that matter) so the next closest one remaining is out of state. I was hoping to sit on one today when I stopped by to play with the DK45, but no go.

    I'm still not sure if I'm even going to upgrade at this point. But, there's not much I enjoy more than playing on different tractors, so I don't mind the process
    Massey 1648 HST Cab - Hustler Z Diesel 66" mower
    2007 F450 Crew - 20' PJ Equipt Trailer
    QA 6ft bucket * 5ft Custom Grapple Bucket * QA Forks * 8ft Rhino Back Blade
    7ft Rhino Box Blade * 7ft LandPride Rake * 6.5ft KK HD Box Disc * Middle buster plow
    WorkSaver SG-26 Stump Grinder * Wallenstein BX42s Chipper * 8ft Ford Brush-Mower
    7.5ft QA Western snow plow

    370 hrs @ 12/14/14

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    Default Re: APPLES to APPLES - comparisons between Cab HST models around 50 HP (SPREADSHEET)

    Quote Originally Posted by TSO View Post
    I'm still not sure if I'm even going to upgrade at this point. But, there's not much I enjoy more than playing on different tractors, so I don't mind the process
    You totally should....then you can sell me that sun shade/ROPS/toolbox setup you made for yours

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    Default Re: APPLES to APPLES - comparisons between Cab HST models around 50 HP (SPREADSHEET)

    when i was looking for cabbed tractors i looked at all brands also. The TYM came in a close second but i hated the controls for the rear remotes. They were behind me. Very bad placement. IThat was back in 2010 so they may have changed that by now.

    I LOVED the kubota unit, but the price knocked it out of the market. I didnt even consider the JD cause the dealership treated me like crap...and the same guy owned all 3 local dealerships. (Mind you i bought my first JD from the same guy).

    I ended up with the Kioti cause this dealership had one left on the lot and he was willing to deal for cash. I got a smashing good deal. Now 300 hours later it still runs like a dream. The money i saved paid for 50% of the forklift, front plow and front snowblower. (as compared to the kubota price)
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    Default Re: APPLES to APPLES - comparisons between Cab HST models around 50 HP (SPREADSHEET)

    Quote Originally Posted by TSO View Post
    I'm still not sure if I'm even going to upgrade at this point.
    Oh I think its all over but the buying!

    Seriously, snowblowing in a tee shirt does have its drawbacks. You can catch a chill climbing out for a pee!
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    Default Re: APPLES to APPLES - comparisons between Cab HST models around 50 HP (SPREADSHEET)

    Quote Originally Posted by TSO View Post
    Here .. I updated the spec-sheet showing the JD 4320. I can't find their warranty info on the website. Also can't find the weight of the 400cx loader, or the overall length. Also keep in mind, that price does not include the optional remotes OR telescoping 3pt lift arm ends... not sure what they up-charge for those items. The JD specs are pretty low compared to the rest of the bunch, with the exception of hydraulic flow - they have the highest implement flow of the bunch.

    And folks... I'm not trying to pick fights or bash any tractors. Clearly mine isn't leading the group in ANY single category. This is just objective specific information on the capability & capacity of each unit. In the world of "HST CAB Tractors around 50 hp" these are the closest machines I can compare.
    Please find attached the loader specs for the JD 400X and 400CX Loaders. The JD 4320 has an overall length of 135in. w/3-Point Hitch. The JD warranty is 2 years bumper to bumper plus 1 year or 2000 hours extra for the power train. Also, the LS XR4046HC 3 Point Hitch states only 2756lbs and the Mahindra 5010 states 3314lbs; it does not say 24" behind the balls like, JD, kubota and Kioti. Be careful that the numbers given might represents the lift link ends (balls) instead of 24" behind the lift link ends (balls). Massey states 3483lbs at hitch points for the 1648, which are the lift link ends (balls) and not 24" behind the lift link balls/ends. Take ~25% off of the 3483lbs and you are at 2600lbs plus change at 24" behinds the lift link balls/ends. In addition, the TYM website actually states that the T503's 3PH lift at 24" is 2105lbs. Those marketing departments at these manufactures love to spin those numbers; many times in their favor and not ours. Lastly, I would also put the specs down for the New Holland 3045 or 3050 compact cab tractors. Those are fully Shibaura made tractors and the only thing in common with the LS XR4046HC and the NH 3045 is the Shibaura engine. Other than that, good job.
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    Default Re: APPLES to APPLES - comparisons between Cab HST models around 50 HP (SPREADSHEET)

    Eagle ... the Boomer 3045 & 3050 are NOT hydrostat. They are CVT. Not only that, their loader specs are pathetically low (250TL) compared to the rest of the group. Those reasons are why they are NOT included in this list.

    As for the other specs. I referenced and cross-referenced different information to get the proper (I believe) specs on the above tractors. Unfortunately, their own websites are often not the best places to get the info, because some are not done very well. The redesigned LS website has mistakes all over the place (they just re-did that site a couple months ago) ... and the TYM site is easily the worst of the bunch. I also used product brochures, dealer literature, other internet searches, etc etc etc ... I'm not going to make a glossary of all of the sources, don't have the time

    Thanks for posting the link to the JD loader manual.
    Massey 1648 HST Cab - Hustler Z Diesel 66" mower
    2007 F450 Crew - 20' PJ Equipt Trailer
    QA 6ft bucket * 5ft Custom Grapple Bucket * QA Forks * 8ft Rhino Back Blade
    7ft Rhino Box Blade * 7ft LandPride Rake * 6.5ft KK HD Box Disc * Middle buster plow
    WorkSaver SG-26 Stump Grinder * Wallenstein BX42s Chipper * 8ft Ford Brush-Mower
    7.5ft QA Western snow plow

    370 hrs @ 12/14/14

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