Tier 4

[ohiodon74]

What do I need to know about tier 4. Will this make problem with the new tractor model? What problems will it cause the new sub compact and compact tractor buyers? I am looking at buying a new tractor just want imput on the new rules.

Thanks

 

[Dillier23]

Tier 4 final is the last step in reducing NOx levels in offroad diesel engines. Generally with compacts or sub-compacts this will be achieved using and EGR, DPF or a combination of both. Larger higher HP machines can use Urea, DPF, EGR, SCR or a combination of each technology to achieve the desired level.

Can it cause a problem, sure, but anything mechanical can. This technology has been evolving for sometime now in Tier 3 and Tier 4a interim emissions levels leading up to the final standard. Personally, since I've been in the industry for a while, I would not be too concerned about buying a tractor with 4B emissions equipment.

 

[dfkrug]

What problems will it cause the new sub compact and compact tractor
buyers?

First, it only impacts new tractors above 30hp. I expect the major impact to be initial cost.

Here is the new Kubota B3350. With this new CUT, you get electronic FI control and a cool-looking
stainless steel exhaust system. You can see the 2 sensors on this one, used to monitor
the Diesel particulate filter/burner. The Kubota factory guy says you should not need to service
it for 2000-3000 hours, but then it will cost over $500 to do so. No urea system on this one.

 

[DT86]

I wouldn't be afraid of a new one, until it comes time to replace the DPF. BUT I'm guessing they'll take a huge hit in resale value about the time they're due a new DPF..

 

[Schneeky]

FWIW, a couple of the dealers I was just working with on my deal said $3-4k difference is the biggest thing.
The rest is just to please the current PTB.

As if that could ever be accomplished. d:^) Schneeks..

 

[F3506]

All the dealers say it's no big deal, but that's because they're in the business of selling tractors if you ask me. If you happen to run across a dealer who still has a Tier 3 on the lot, they'll give you the song and dance about how great that tractor is because it's the last of the Tier 3 before 4 or 4 interim hit.

In my mind, the DPF is the key here. Some can be baked out a few times to clean them, eventually though, they will need to be replaced. I talked with a Kubota dealer who said that a replacement DPF on an 80 - 90 hp machine was around $3,700 in parts alone. Real world experience is still to be determined on what effect it has on longevity or fuel economy. I know what the DPF did to the fuel economy of the pick up truck market when it hit in 2007. Adding urea has gotten it better, but that's still fairly new too.

 

[Dillier23]

All the dealers say it's no big deal, but that's because they're in the business of selling tractors if you ask me. If you happen to run across a dealer who still has a Tier 3 on the lot, they'll give you the song and dance about how great that tractor is because it's the last of the Tier 3 before 4 or 4 interim hit.

In my mind, the DPF is the key here. Some can be baked out a few times to clean them, eventually though, they will need to be replaced. I talked with a Kubota dealer who said that a replacement DPF on an 80 - 90 hp machine was around $3,700 in parts alone. Real world experience is still to be determined on what effect it has on longevity or fuel economy. I know what the DPF did to the fuel economy of the pick up truck market when it hit in 2007. Adding urea has gotten it better, but that's still fairly new too.

This may be, I think it's more the fact that the new Tier 4 machines allow them to raise prices on new and used tier 3 units. Thats what I'm hoping for when I sell my B2620 in a few weeks.

 

[F3506]

This may be, I think it's more the fact that the new Tier 4 machines allow them to raise prices on new and used tier 3 units. Thats what I'm hoping for when I sell my B2620 in a few weeks.

Just be sure to word your add correctly. True or not, there are a certain number of folks out there, myself included, that are just not ready to invest in Tier 4 technology at the present time.

 

[k0ua]

I will put in my 1 cent's worth, one cent because I don't own one. From all that I have read here on the threads of the early adopters that actually own Tier 4 Final machines, the owners generally like them and have not reported any negatives to speak of. Most have reported less smell, less noise, and as good or better fuel consumption figures. These are just my impressions of course, but I am reporting what I have read. Of course the hole in the wallet is not a good thing, and I don't think anyone appreciated that, but the tractors seem to be working well. As for how much it is going to cost in 2000 to 3000 hours, I don't know, but I am sure it will be somewhat expensive.

Those of you that know my political leanings know that I am not a huge fan of the EPA and new Federal regulations, but these regs do not seem to be the end of tractoring as we know it. By the way as I understand it, tractors must be over 25 horsepower to be affected by Tier 4 final rules.

 

[balreadysaid]

it is a big deal. it is just a old scam on a new market. the diesel truck market went through this step already and it was a disaster. now they bring tractors to this same step when the market is already past it. any off road equipment, tractor trailers, and now pickups use urea injection exclusively. only 1 or 2 manufacturers are still using dpf and they are being forced into using other brands patents. international is one of them. big trucks have ben using this regularly for half of the better part of a decade. the reason why they are doing this is because of the over stock of parts for diesel pickups that are already been to the car crusher that were equipped with tier 4 style equipment. now they get to bill someone else for the mess the epa forced them into. rant end