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    Default Re: STIHL --A MORE AGGRESSIVE CHAIN

    Quote Originally Posted by sea2summit View Post
    Any saw that has 3.8"^2 or less of displacement by law has to have a safety chain so that's probably where the hold harmless agreement came in.
    ANSi standards require that any saw with less than 62 cc or 3.8 cu in, must have a safety chain installed when sold. You can do what you want after that. The reason that the dealer had him sign a waiver is because, if the guy goes out and hurts himself, he can claim that the dealer didn't educate him on the dangers of using that chain on his saw, and would probably win in court.
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    Default Re: STIHL --A MORE AGGRESSIVE CHAIN

    why would anybody want less then a 64cc saw i hate anything below 70cc they are to slow for me

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    Default Re: STIHL --A MORE AGGRESSIVE CHAIN

    Quote Originally Posted by case245 View Post
    why would anybody want less then a 64cc saw i hate anything below 70cc they are to slow for me
    I hope you were joking. Who needs 64 cc or better to do limbing and small logs under 14"?Perhaps you are yanking our chain?
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    Default Re: STIHL --A MORE AGGRESSIVE CHAIN

    Quote Originally Posted by case245 View Post
    why would anybody want less then a 64cc saw i hate anything below 70cc they are to slow for me
    Age, size, strength, comfort and a feeling of well being of the operator . All lending to less fatigue and more staying power. Also a big saw with a big bar will cut slower or as fast as a smaller saw with a smaller bar with the right circumstances. For instance, my old 257 with a 16" bar will cut a 15" tree as fast or faster than my 372 with a 24" bar. Technique also comes into play knowing to keep a saw right in its power band when cutting. Then there is modding of smaller saws to increase speed of cut. New saw technology also comes into play. Go try a new Husky 562 and then think if you need a 70cc saw. I hope this answers some of the "whys"

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    Same here--my 47cc 30 year old Stihl 028 is more than adequate for the 8 or so chords I cut per year. I've used neighbours' larger saws and much prefer mine. Mine also cuts as well as theirs. The majority of my cutting is is 6" to 18" birch, pine and fir. I don't need anything larger.

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    Default Re: STIHL --A MORE AGGRESSIVE CHAIN

    Quote Originally Posted by xyz123 View Post
    I cant believe they had you sign a waiver for chain. Sorry I'm LMAO. Probably just RS RSC chain or RM RMC if semi chisel.
    I can't believe they are color coding saw chain. Just where is the color?

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    Default Re: STIHL --A MORE AGGRESSIVE CHAIN

    Because a Husqvarna 550 XP is all the saw that you really need Light enough to run with one hand.

    Quote Originally Posted by case245 View Post
    why would anybody want less then a 64cc saw i hate anything below 70cc they are to slow for me

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    I also prefer semi chisel on my 20" 361 for the reasons you state. My i have 3 or 4 loops of full chisel for my 25" bar and 1 semi chisel. I only run RMF semi chisel full skip on my 36" bar MS660 because so many of the large trees i have cut up are hollow and full of crap which dulls a full chisel chain in about 1 cut. The dealer gave me an RSC chain on the 36" it sucked i had to go to full skip because the wood chips would wedge the bar into the tree

    Quote Originally Posted by s219 View Post
    There's really nothing radical about that chain -- plunge cutting is the only thing it will do better than the equivalent green chain (which would be RS3, where the "3" denotes safety chain). Not sure why they made such a big deal about it -- none of the shops around here bat an eye when I buy yellow chain.

    You will find that full chisel (the "S") chain dulls much quicker than semi-chisel ("M") would, so be sure to file it often, especially if cutting dirty wood or bucking on the ground. When it dulls, that will be a much bigger effect on performance than chain type or saw power. I run some full chisel on my longer bars, but prefer semi chisel for firewood cutting, as it lasts much longer between sharpenings, so there's a lot less downtime. On a busy day, I may have to file the full-chisel as much as three times, whereas semi-chisel can go all day long.

    For anyone wondering, if you only cut along the length of the bar and never plunge/bore (as would be typical for most firewood cutters and homeowners) you will never notice the difference between green and yellow chain, so you may as well go green and get a little extra safety margin. Yellow is truly for experienced cutters who need to plunge or bore on a regular basis.

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    Default Re: STIHL --A MORE AGGRESSIVE CHAIN

    Quote Originally Posted by xyz123 View Post
    I cant believe they had you sign a waiver for chain. Sorry I'm LMAO. Probably just RS RSC chain or RM RMC if semi chisel.
    Same thing happened to me at our local dealer . Must be a W. Pa thing .
    At first , i thought they were joking .
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    Default Re: STIHL --A MORE AGGRESSIVE CHAIN

    Quote Originally Posted by case245 View Post
    why would anybody want less then a 64cc saw i hate anything below 70cc they are to slow for me
    Showing your ignorance again bud. You've never run a good 50-60cc saw!
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