Jinma 245 died

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Ronbo

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Brazoria County, TX
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Jimna 254
My wife was bushhogging the pasture (you gotta love a woman that likes to hog) and my baby died (tractor, not the wife). I am getting fuel up to the pump. I cracked a line at the injector, opened the compression release and cranked her. No fuel to the injector. I did not check the other two. What is the proper way to check an injector pump? How much for a new pump?

Tommy, I believe your BIL has one in Santa Fe. I need his number.

What is the difference between the 254 and 284 injector? Do I have to adjust the govner myself? I would rather adjust it up to the 284.

So many questions and so little space.

Thanks all

Ron

It is a 254, not 245 or 284
 
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Look in the sediment bowl and see if there's fuel in there. If yes, take off the fuel filter and see if it's full. Before writing off an injector pump, you gotta make sure it's actually being given any fuel to pump

//greg//
 
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I cleaned the bowl, good fuel flow. I then disconnected the banjo fitting where the line comes f\rom the filter to the pump. I cleaned the screen in the fitting. Good fuel flow. I then cracked the line at the injector and did not get fuel out when cranking it. I also used the manual pump and it did not get hard. I don't remember if it is supposed to get firm with cranking.

Ron
 
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Ronbo said:
I cleaned the bowl, good fuel flow. I then disconnected the banjo fitting where the line comes f\rom the filter to the pump. I cleaned the screen in the fitting. Good fuel flow. I then cracked the line at the injector and did not get fuel out when cranking it. I also used the manual pump and it did not get hard. I don't remember if it is supposed to get firm with cranking.

Ron

I have a Shenniu. not a Jinma so I don't know if this is helpful, but mytractor has another inline strainer in the banjo fitting on the IP at the inlet from the filter after the feed pump

Greg
 
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There are a lot of components that make up the injection pump ASSEMBLY; hand pump, fuel pump, flexible lines (low pressure) injection pump, hard lines (high pressure) governor.

Open the bleed vent on the fuel filter housing. If you can't find it, loosen the filter just a little bit. Then prime with the hand pump. Soon as fuel spills, close whichever one you loosened. Then follow the flexible hose to the injection pump, and loosen the fitting there. Pump the hand primer again. The hand pump is only good for pushing fuel TO the injection pump on the low pressure lines.

If you can't get fuel TO the fuel filter - check the flex line between the fuel pump and the filter housing. They can occasionally look good on the outside, but have collapsed in the inside. If that's good, the filter may have collapsed (rare). If it gets to the filter - but not to the injection pump - check THAT fuel line.

But all this does is check for obstructions in the fuel flow path. It doesn't tell you if the fuel pump portion of the pump assembly is good. But if you've confirmed that the low pressure path is clear, then crank the engine and confirm flow TO the injection pump. If there's no flow on an otherwise clear path, suspect the fuel pump.

If cranking DOES deliver fuel to the injection pump, crack the hardlines and go back to cranking the engine. If the pump is good, it will push the air outa the hardlines. If that pump is bad, nothing will come out.

//greg//
 
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Hi,

All very good information from greg and others.
This might sound like a dumb question, but are you trying to start the tractor without giving the fuel pump any positive adjustment. but that I mean is the control for the fuel pump in the minimum position?:eek: If it is, then there is a chance that the fuel is not being delivered because of this situation. Ensure that the pump control is around mid position to ensure proper fuel flow and delivery. Once started, then adjust to what is a comfortable speed for your application.

You would be surprised at the number of people who have tried to start a diesel in the minimum fuel position - often a no flow situation, and got nowhere. You can include me in that list - but it was a long time ago :D :D :D

Jim
 
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Jim brings up a good point. There are 2 levers on the injector. One is on the top and is the cutoff lever that goes to the shutoff pull cable. This lever must be all the way forward. Run position for mine is all the way forward with the end of the lever almost touching the hand pump If something got up in there and bumped the cable support structure(above the clutch), this cable could be holding it to the rear and keeping the engine from running. I purposfully mis-adjust this cable when I go away to make the tractor difficult to start.
The other lever on the side is the speed selector/throttle and is connected to the hand lever and foot pedal.. For this lever, forward/down is idle and up and to the rear is full RPM. When cranking to check for fuel at the loosened hard lines, the hand throttle lever should be in the higher RPM area as this will move more fuel faster to the injectors and require less cranking. You should also be doing the cranking with the compression relief on to save starter wear.

As Greg mentioned, the fuel goes from tank, to bowl, to lift pump, to filter and then to the injector portion of the pump. The manual prime pump which is part of the lift pump portion of the injector assembly will only push fuel to the injector assembly, not thru it. I think there are also some mesh screens where some of these lines attach, so you may have to disassemble and inspect the fittings if you have fuel flow/delivery problems.

There are 3 bleed points to get air out of the system. These are also good places to check fuel delivery. The first should be on top of the fuel filter housing/boss usually located a few inches above the injector assembly. Loosen the bolt on top of the filter boss and pump the hand pump till fuel without air flows out the top of the filter, then retighten the bolt. The second and third bleeds are on the side of the injector assembly. One is right below where the hard line for #1 injector attaches, and the last one is right below #3. On mine one is a hex head with a standard screwdriver slot, and the other has a metal ring thru it to use as a handle so you can open it without tools.
You need to get all the air out of these points so the injector pump will pump only fuel. Once these are bled, open the hard lines at the injectors and crank the engine(short bursts and allow the starter to cool between crankings) with the throttle lever held at full till hopefully fuel comes out at those fittings. Once you have fuel at the injector fittings, retighten them and the engine should start. The injectors are fired by hydraulic pressure. Any air in the hard lines will, like a spring, absorb the energy from the pump and keep the injectors from spraying. A clogged screen at the tank outlet above the bowl, or on one of the soft line end fittings could cause the lift pump to pull a slight vacume. This could suck in air thru a loose fitting or pinhole and cause the injectors to stop firing.

Good Luck
 
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Got it fixed. Found my banjo fittings were slightly loose and had crud in the tank. I will have to remove to the tank to clean it and then coat it with something. Any suggestions?

Ron
 
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Check Motorcycle supply houses and dealers. I coated a bike tank back in the 80's and it is still good.
hbaird
 
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I find the Jinma fuel tank valves to have way too small of orifices any small debrie will stop flow. I replaced mine with a 1/4" pipe needle valve and have never had any problems in five years. The Jinma hose to the tank got a standard 1/4" pipe end on it and I did away with the tank strainer. I'm not sure how many fuel problems relate back to this crappy little valve plugging up. bjr
 

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