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Rocks are handy. They make retaining walls, stop erosion, mark septic tanks.
Big rocks are handy to, by the pond to sit on. Look nice down there..
 
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Maybe just roll them rocks down the mountain!

Look out belowwwwwwww!!!!!!
 
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Ron, You were right, it was a loose fitting where the hose joined to the metal tube on the lower end. The cylinder for bucket curl. Not very easy to get at but I was able to tighten it. Thanks! Richard

Glad you found it. Look back into ALL the fittings from time to time. I think the ORFS fittings tend to loosen up easier than some other types of fittings. Another place to look at is where the base of the main backhoe frame bolts to the subframe rails. There are 6 bolts there that will loosen up. This backhoe really needs a top support strut to the toplink attach point on the back of the tractor to firm up the structure a little bit. Those subframe rails hold all the weight and deal with a lot of strain when you use the hoe. I am working on plans for adding a upper support strut to mine now.

About what RPM do you have you engine running when working the backhoe? I have a 385 engine.

I find about 1800 RPM to be a good spot. Any faster, and the control actions can get a little jerky IMO. My hoe is on a Jinma 284 with the I believe the Y395 engine.

Does your backhoe hydraulic pump make any noise when you load up the hoe digging or moving a big rock? One thing I found about mine is that they used a banjo bolt where the fluid returns from the valve to the resovoir tank. This is a choke point, as the fluid must pass down the center of the bolt which is only about 5/16" in diameter. On mine, the returning fluid builds a little pressure here and the fluid shoots across the top of the resovoir in a high velocity stream. This mixes in air and causes this airated oil mix to flow down past the pump inlet strainer/port. This airated fluid was getting drawn into the pump and caused my pump to whine/squeal when under load. Pumps shouldn't make noises like that. I replaced the banjo with an elbow welded to the tank. This is wider than the hose diameter and allows the fluid to enter the tank slower, and bingo, no more pump noise.

The dealer I got mine from said the only real problems they had encountered were with dirt in the valve. I added a return line filter to mine, that seems to be working OK. That banjo fitting at the tank did cause some initial teething problems with the filter as the backpressure on the return line it created would blow the "O" ring out of the spin on filter cartridge:)
 
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Ron, My pump does make noise. maybe you could post photos of what you discribed. Did you gas weld the fittings?
We do use the rocks for retaining walls. They, the rocks, come in all sizes. I'll use some for a French Drain so the melting snow goes around not into the stalls. Richard
 
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Here are some shots of the work.
 

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Ron, All that pressure through the small hole in the banjo bolt may be some of the reason oil wants to come out the fill hole. Richard
 

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Richard
I thought I put some photos of that install in this thread where I described the install of a return line filter on my Backhoe, but I just looked and there are not any of the new return port on the backhoe tank. http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/chinese-tractors/111225-jinma-hw03-backhoe-return-filter-2.html

Here are a few:
bhreturnline.jpg

Basically what I did was get a 3/8" steel street elbow and ground out the threads and some of the internal wall with a die grinder. I welded the big end of this over the threaded return bung on the side of the resovoir. I had already increased the size of the return hose to 1/2" from the filter I installed(detailed in the above link), and this hose slips right over the small end of the street elbow and is held inplace with a hose clamp. Here is a pic of where the other end of the red hose is attached to.

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I had to do this mod as this addon filter was experiencing some wicked pressure spikes. I blew the filter "O" ring out at one point from the pressure caused by the tank banjo fitting and the small diameter hose. But in my testing to fix the filter pressure issues, I also discovered that it shuts the pump noise right up. That was when I figured out what was going on with the pump getting air in it's supply oil. The BH pump is basically the same as the main tractor hydro pump, and that one dosn't make any noise does it?

To do the elbow mod to the tank like I have done, The return hose from the backhoe valve tothe tank could be replaced quite easilly with larger hose using the end fitting of the existing return hose up at the vave end and cutting off the rest. Or you could put together a metric adapter for the outlet/return port on the valve and run a larger hose from it if you didn't want to cut up the original hose. I believed the chinese just used an off the shelf hose from some other production to fit this space. The stock hose on mine was pressure rated, and only a 10MM ID. The return hose does not need to be pressure rated as it should only ever see a few PSI. They are typically also 1.5X the supply line diameter...

As for the resovoir overflowing, that is caused by the way they did that filler neck tube. It protrudes down into the resovoir, in an attempt to keep you from overfilling the resovoir I assume. But if you fill it up to top of the port on the filler neck, as the fluid expands, it covers this filler port and pressurizes the air space in the top of the tank. This pressure forces the fluid up thru the filler neck and out the vent hole. One simple way to prevent this is to remove the screw in dipstick. This keeps any pressure from building in the top of the tank as the fluid expands. But it leaves a pathway for dirt and water to enter the tank. I converted my dipstick port to the air vent and have a filter on that port. I sealed the vent holes in the screw on cap. The protruding filler neck is now my level check. I just remove the filler cap and look down the hole to see where the fluid level is in relation to the lower end of the filler neck. No more oil burps:)

Here is a pic of my breather filter. It is a basic in-line fuel filter available at just about any auto parts store. I used a couple of pieces of hose to adapt it to the dipstick neck. On the top is a rubber vacume port end cap from the same autoparts store, with a couple of small holes drilled into it to allow airflow. I poured indicating dessicant thru the end port to fill the area around the outside of the filter element. This helps control the moisture content in the tank as it breathes. It should be blue, but as it is pink, it is saturated from mosture and needs to be renewed(shake the pellets out, microwave till bright cobalt blue, and pour them back into the filter).
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Ron, That looks like a functional fix. I'lll look it over a couple times. Your tank is set differently than mine. My tank is in the way of the foot rests, covering a good part of them, leaving only a small bit to rest your feet on. I like also that the filter fits into the compartment. Hope mine has the room for that! Thanks Richard
 
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Thanks
I have been contemplating a couple other changes, and one of those is a different tank. With a different tank, I could move the backhoe structure nearly 6" closer to the back of the tractor. This would reduce some of the overhung weight and stresses on the subframe and make a toplink attach frame, and a few other things a little easier.

I don't have a swivel seat, so I have been setting on the backedge of my main seat. It is not terribly comfortable for long periods, but it puts my elbows/forarms on my legs which is an excelent position for precise control of a joystick. Setting up higher also gives me a good view down into the hole. Even if I did have a swivel seat, my measurements tell me the seat rail travel wouldn't get me in a good operator position anyway. But if I move the hoe forward a little, and make a pedistal off the toplink attach bracket, I can add a more comfortable folding seat that keeps me in a good operator position.

Good Luck with all your rocks. I live in an old creek valley, and have a few pretty big boulders around my place. I am wondering what kind of rock I will find when I start digging for our new basement/foundation next spring...
 
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Ron, I don't have a swivel seat ether, its a juryrig. I can't quite picture what youre describing about an upper attachment but bringing the backhoe closer makes sence. What you've done so far look good. When I get a chance I'll look to doing the same, filter and all. American ingenuity seem to be the what makes these machines function well. Richard
 

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