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    Default Re: Can I get by with a 2wd backhoe

    Just wondering how you run the loaders differently?

    I have a 2wd how, and a small 4wd tractor. When talking about a 2wd hoe (full sized) as long as its dry, even if I had 4wd it would not get used. Only time it would be is if I am out when I shouldn't be.
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    Default Re: Can I get by with a 2wd backhoe

    Quote Originally Posted by LD1 View Post
    Just wondering how you run the loaders differently?

    I have a 2wd how, and a small 4wd tractor. When talking about a 2wd hoe (full sized) as long as its dry, even if I had 4wd it would not get used. Only time it would be is if I am out when I shouldn't be.
    I was going to explain that in the post but was running short of time. With a 4wd when you go to scoop material you go in low and apply some power while you roll the bucket with 2wd you need to get a good fill on the initial hit of the pile and shave the edge to fill the buckets or pull the head down first. With 2wd you can't just hit the pile apply power like in a 4wd, you get that light tail and spin the tires which is a big no no. Also how you go about dozing is different. The amount you can doze, the distance you can doze it, and the material you can doze on.

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    Default Re: Can I get by with a 2wd backhoe

    Quote Originally Posted by RodSerling View Post
    I was going to explain that in the post but was running short of time. With a 4wd when you go to scoop material you go in low and apply some power while you roll the bucket with 2wd you need to get a good fill on the initial hit of the pile and shave the edge to fill the buckets or pull the head down first. With 2wd you can't just hit the pile apply power like in a 4wd, you get that light tail and spin the tires which is a big no no. Also how you go about dozing is different. The amount you can doze, the distance you can doze it, and the material you can doze on.
    How you describe using 4wd is how I use my 2wd. Again, dry ground is key. Muddy or smeary and I can see 4wd doing better. But I have never had traction issues on dry ground, with either pushing piles back in the trench, or pushing into a pile to load.

    But then again, "full-sized" starts at ~11000-12000#. My 2wd is a good bit more than that. I dont see a 12000# 4wd being able to push as much as I can on dry ground. If I had a lighter machine, it would be different though. But for me, when shopping for an older used hoe in my budget, bigger was actually cheaper. So I guess I use shear weight as a replacement for 4wd. Just gotta know when its too wet/soft to be productive.
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    Default Re: Can I get by with a 2wd backhoe

    I've got a 2wd JCB 1550B. I bought it as a novice user.

    I understand the benefits a 4wd will have over a 2wd and would love to have a 4wd machine.

    For the last 10 or more years of using this 2wd, I've only been stuck once and that was when the lake was down and I was 'dredging' the boat ramp area which was muck. (machine was I ended up sinking to my axel and frankly, don't know that 4wd alone would have helped. Being able to pogo out with the backhoe did however, let me pull myself out.

    For a homeowner (like me who doesn't use equipment commercially), I'd venture to say that a 2wd machine is 'fine & dandy' but, if you can afford a 4wd, it is certainly nice to have for those moments when you can use the extra oomph.

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    Default Re: Can I get by with a 2wd backhoe

    Would love to find an open cab 555 with extendahoe.2wd would be ok I guess with fewer moving parts.I am not really in wet greasy spots,just alot of field work on fairly level ground.I did buy a project 800 Ford industrial yrs back but it turned into a nightmare and got rid of it.But something like that with a 12' hoe would be ideal for me.

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    Default Re: Can I get by with a 2wd backhoe

    Never a fan of the extends hoes. More parts to move and wear and grease. More hydraulics and hoses. And just one more function to learn to control. But that's just my opinion.
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    Default Re: Can I get by with a 2wd backhoe

    Quote Originally Posted by LD1 View Post
    Never a fan of the extends hoes. More parts to move and wear and grease. More hydraulics and hoses. And just one more function to learn to control. But that's just my opinion.
    na, i loved the extendahoe i used to set light standards in parking lots. had to dig down ridiculous depths to set caissons. those extenda-hoes could do the job.

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    Default Re: Can I get by with a 2wd backhoe

    I got stuck once on wet grass and had to use 4x4 to get going. I get that some have had luck with 2wd, I would never have any tractor or even vehicle I drive that is not 4x4. When you need 4x4 it saves your day. I'm in sand so 4x4 is a must. I rented non 4x4 when I bought the land, they rental company dropped it off and I was buried before the drive got to the end of the block.

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