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  1. #131
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    Default Re: Homemade quick attach

    Got some more work done today.

    -2013-01-18-14-18-a

    I used the existing bucket ears and pins as a jig to align the bushings on my side-plates. The small bushings are flush on the back side, but the larger bushings extend inside the ear about 1/4". I figure the safest thing to do is to re-create the bucket's construction as closely as possible. I used a speed square to transfer the dimension from the bucket to the side-plate. Now that I think about it, the fact that my side-plates are 3/8" instead of 1/4" may mean that the speed-square method will be off by 1/8", but I can work that out after the fact. The key dimension is the spacing between the inside ends of the bushings. By making the QA side-plates 1/8" further apart than the bucket's, I believe I can compensate for my mistake.

    I carefully aligned everything, then put in two tacks on each bushing. I re-checked all measurements, then removed the side-plate from the bucket and finished welding up. The tacks were on the outside, so I did all the welding on the inside where it was clean, before I ground out the tacks and welded up the outside. The factory bucket only has welds on one side of the plate, but I figure it can't hurt to over-engineer in this case.

    The welds were made with 1/8" E7018 at about 110-120 amps. I knew things were going well when my slag started popping off by itself, or after one light scratch with the hammer.

    -2013-01-18-15-24-a -2013-01-18-15-24-a

    There is a lot of room for improvement, but I was actually pretty pleased with how they came out. Especially since I am welding on the round, which I have never done before. To make life easier for me, I laid the pieces down and welded in the flat position. It essentially became a round fillet. The holes that I drilled in the side-plates are 1 5/8", while the OD of the bushings is 1 1/2". This was necessary to give enough slop in the placement of the holes to allow exact alignment of the bushings with the bucket pins. Since the bushings were not centered in the holes, I had as much as 1/8" of gap to fill as I welded up. I ground the ends of some electrode stubs to about 1/16" thickness and stuck them into the gap before tacking, so that the gap around the bushing was as small as possible in each direction. With the large bushings, I got good results by holding the rod more towards the horizontal, to try to avoid shooting heat down through the gap. I suppose one risk of this method is that I may have insufficient penetration into the side-plate, but given that there was between 1/16" and 1/8" gap to accept the weld metal, I'm hopeful that helped things out. The welds look to me like they have okay penetration.

    Another problem that I ran into was, after welding up the back side, there was some left-over slag in the gap that I had to get out before welding up the front side. I didn't think it would be a good idea to weld over it. I picked it out the best I could with the edge of a file, but there was certainly some left, and I think that is the most likely cause of the porosity that you can see in some areas of the welds.

    On the front side of the small bushing, it was harder, because I wanted to push the heat towards the bushing to avoid burning out the gap, but at the same time, I had very little room to play with before I melted off the top corner of the bushing. To make this a bit easier, I switched down to 3/32" electrodes, and my welds suffered a bit because of it. For whatever reason, I weld worse with 3/32" than I do with 1/8". I had an easy time on the back because the two pieces were flush. So it was basically just a flat weld with a gap. I was careful to keep the puddle away from the inside edge of the bushing, because I didn't want mess up that nice, machined surface.

    Here are the two finished side plates, inside and outside.

    -2013-01-18-15-51-a

    -2013-01-18-15-51-a

    I am going to finish up one entire adapter before moving on to the second one, so that I find any problems before I've got too much work into the project. The next step will be to bring the tractor over to the work area and install the side plates onto the loader arm. What I plan to do is to put a section of flat stock across the front of the unit to basically create a U shape, then I will build the bucket-side part of the QA and weld the two together. I dunno... I may just get some thin strips of 1/4" flat and tack the side plates in position relative to each other before moving on. I'm still not 100% sure how I'm going to put the loader-side and bucket-side section of the adapter together. If anybody has any detailed photos of theirs that they would like to post, I'd appreciate it.

  2. #132
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    Default Re: Homemade quick attach

    Your welds look plenty fine to me. I see no reason to be worried about lack of penetration or any contamination.

    As to your dilema about attaching the halves, I wouldn't make the U as you are thinking. Make a left and right half by overlapping the 3/8" plate you are using on the bushings and weld them together. Bucket piece would sit inside the loader piece. The busings and the spreader bar between the two sides should be more than sufficient (at least in my mind) to support. If you feel as though you'd like more support, make the bucket half the U and then overlap on each side of it with the plate for the loader pins.

  3. #133
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    Quote Originally Posted by CDN Farm Boy View Post
    As to your dilema about attaching the halves, I wouldn't make the U as you are thinking. Make a left and right half by overlapping the 3/8" plate you are using on the bushings and weld them together. Bucket piece would sit inside the loader piece. The busings and the spreader bar between the two sides should be more than sufficient (at least in my mind) to support. If you feel as though you'd like more support, make the bucket half the U and then overlap on each side of it with the plate for the loader pins.
    That is a good point. I spent a bit of time yesterday fussing around with various methods of attaching them. Part of the problem is that you can't put anything on the inside of the loader-side bracket, because you need clearance to allow the arms to intrude on the interior of the bracket at the extremes of the arms' motion. You're right, though, that there are going to be two bushings that cross the gap between the two side plates, and that should be plenty of rigidity. Thanks!

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    Default Re: Homemade quick attach

    There is more involved than people reading really think untill you get into building this isnt there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by puckgrinder85 View Post
    There is more involved than people reading really think untill you get into building this isnt there?
    Always.

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    Default Re: Homemade quick attach

    I am sorry but I tend to think people over think things on here!!! that being said I tend to build for functionality not beauty! LOL I made my QH like kubota I used 3/16 metal for the side plates and some 1/4 wall pipe for the pins to go in. I can't believe I will ever wear them out. My pins fit with about .020 tolerance. They don't have to be driven in but not exactly loose either. I used 3/4" pins from TSC and think they were about $5.00 a piece. I don't have $30 in my 19# Qh but I have access to steel, shear, punch press and press brake.

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    Default Re: Homemade quick attach

    I got a little more work done. In order to allow me to work on the bench, I used the first set of side-plates as a jig to guide the alignment of the bushings for the second set of side-plates.

    -2013-01-20-15-12-a

    If you look at the above photo, you will notice that I accidentally nudged the alignment of the left-most bracket's bolt-holes before welding. Did I notice that before I welded it all the way up? Nope. Did I grind it all the way out and fix it afterwards? NOPE!

    -2013-01-21-17-47-a

    Two brackets, on the loader! Now I just have to wait until the DOM tubing I ordered comes before I can proceed with the bucket-side of the bracket.

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    Default Re: Homemade quick attach

    Well, you're half ways there, looking pretty good so far.
    Steve

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    Thanks. Looks like I'm about to have an unexpected business trip until late next week, so unfortunately, work will be on hold even though I just got the DOM tubing!

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    Default Re: Homemade quick attach

    Here's some pictures of my system that I built several years ago. The top pins are welded in place, otherwise it looks about the same. Kubota - Rich's Woodshop

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