New here w/ Ford 861

[Soundguy]

a baldwin B2 crosses over to the common filters that normally fit that tractor's spin on adapter...

Fram PH8A 4.99$
Motorcraft FL1A 3.99$
Supertech ST8A 2.99$
Napa 1452 ( though a 1515 will fit.. etc.. )
dual 300 etc...

i generally run a fram tough guard as they have that black grip media on them and are easy to get off.. or if not feeling like i need good grip.. like on a machine that has no loader.. hard to beat a motorcraft fl1a.. i mean.. it's ford right.. motorcraft? that's practically oem..

in areas where there are clearance issues.. like loader or other equipment.. the supertech st8a is a slightly shorter profile filter.

I've used just about everything crossed.. they all work fine on these old beasts.. again.. unless there is an actual defect with t he adapter plate or filter..

 

[jeff pk]

Going to pull the pan due to a leaky gasket. Any chance of checking that relief valve while the pan is off? First thing I did when the pressure spiked was to put the old filter back on---no difference, so I don't think it was the filter coming apart. New gauge is in the mail, with a drain pan plug and the screen which was missing.

Jeff

 

[Soundguy]

parts list and pic for the gear pump commonly used up till 1960 or so:

1 NLS No Longer Serviced Pump Assy., L/Screw & Cover, Replaced by P/N D1NL6600A Rotor Type Pump, Refer to Engine 6C2, When replacing Gear Type Pump W/D1NL6600A, you must also replace P/N EAF6615A with D1NL6622A, EAA6626C with C0AE662
1 1 NLS No Longer Serviced Body, Oil Pump, Years: 01/01/1953-12/31/1960
2 1 EAF66646B SHAFT Shaft, Oil Pump, Intermediate, 134", Slot Drive, Years: 01/01/1953-12/31/1954
2 1 EAF66646D SHAFT Shaft, Oil Pump, Intermediate, Hex Drive, Years: 01/01/1955-12/31/1960
3 1 EAA6659A GASKET Gasket, Oil Pump to Block, Years: 01/01/1953-12/31/1960
4 2 EAF6638A BOLT Bolt, Oil Pump Mounting, Years: 01/01/1953-12/31/1960
5 2 PL PROCURE LOCALLY Washer, Lock, 3/8", Years: 01/01/1953-12/31/1960
6 2 PL PROCURE LOCALLY Nut, Hex, 3/8"-24, Years: 01/01/1953-12/31/1960
7 1 B9AE6674D PLUNGER Plunger, Oil Relief Valve, Years: 01/01/1953-12/31/1960
8 1 EAA6654A SPRING Spring, Oil Relief Valve, Years: 01/01/1953-12/31/1960
9 1 EAA6666A NUT Nut, Oil Relief Valve, Years: 01/01/1953-12/31/1960
10 1 CPN6600A SET OF PARTS Gear & Shaft Assy., Oil Pump Drive Gear, 134", Years: 01/01/1953-12/31/1954
10 1 FPN6600A KIT Gear & Shaft Assy., Oil Pump Drive Gear, Years: 01/01/1955-12/31/1960
11 1 EAA6614B GEAR Gear, Oil Pump Driven, Years: 01/01/1953-12/31/1960
12 1 EAA6619C GASKET Gasket, Oil Pump Cover, Years: 01/01/1953-12/31/1960
13 1 EAF6616C SPARE PART Cover, Oil Pump, Years: 01/01/1953-12/31/1960
14 1 EAA6626C GASKET Gasket, Cover to Inlet Tube Flange, Years: 01/01/1953-12/31/1960
15 1 EAF6615A TUBE Screen, Cover & Inlet Tube Assy., 134" Except Offset, L/541,2111, Years: 01/01/1953-12/31/1960
15 1 EAF6615A TUBE Screen, Cover & Inlet Tube Assy., 172" Except Diesel, L/541,21111, Years: 01/01/1955-12/31/1960
15 1 B9NN6615A SCREEN Screen, Cover & Inlet Tube Assy., Diesel Except Offset, Years: 01/01/1958-12/31/1960
16 4 PL PROCURE LOCALLY Screw & Lockwasher Assy., HH, 5/16"-18 x 1", Years: 01/01/1953-12/31/1960
17 1 C0NN6A661A BRACKET Bracket, Oil Pump Inlet Tube, Diesel, Years: 01/01/1958-12/31/1960
18 1 EAF6716C TUBE Tube Assy., Oil Filter & Inlet, 134" Except Diesel, Years: 01/01/1953-12/31/1960
18 1 EAF6716C TUBE Tube Assy., Oil Filter & Inlet, 172" Except Diesel, Years: 01/01/1955-12/31/1960
18 1 B9NN6716A TUBE Tube Assy., Oil Filter & Inlet, Diesel, Years: 01/01/1958-12/31/1960
19 1 B9NN6A628A GASKET Gasket, Cover to Oil Filter Inlet Tube, Years: 01/01/1953-12/31/1960
20 1 B9NN6A629A NUT Nut, Oil Filter Inlet Tube, 7/8-18 x 1/2", Hollow, Production installed Dyn. Balancer, Diesel, Years: 01/01/1959-12/31/1960
20 1 B9NN6A629B NUT Nut, Oil Filter Inlet Tube, 7/8-18 x 2.08", Hollow, Field installed Dyn. Balancer, 144" Diesel, Years: 01/01/1958-12/31/1960
20 1 B9NN6A629B NUT Nut, Oil Filter Inlet Tube, Field installed Dyn. Balancer, 172" Diesel, Years: 01/01/1958-12/31/1959
20 1 EAF66738B NUT Nut, Oil Filter Inlet Tube, Except Diesel, Years: 01/01/1955-12/31/1960
21 1 EAF66644A SEAL PROTECTION Seal, Oil Filter Inlet Tube, Years: 01/01/1953-12/31/1960
1 PL PROCURE LOCALLY Nut, Tube, 7/8"-18 x 1/2", Tube to Block, W/EAF6716C After S/N NAA11291, Years: 01/01/1953-12/31/1960
1 PL PROCURE LOCALLY Connector, Standard Pipe Thread, 3/8", Tube to Block, W/Tube Assy., W/Nut Assembled at Block End, Prior to S/N EAF6716C, Years: 01/01/1953-12/31/1960
1 CPN6600A SET OF PARTS Kit, Repair, Oil Pump, 134", NAA, NAB, Includes parts listed below, Years: 01/01/1953-12/31/1954
1 EAA6608C DRIVING GEAR Gear & Shaft Assy., with Slotted Shaft
1 EAA6614B GEAR Gear, Drive
1 EAA6619C GASKET Gasket, Cover
1 EAA6659A GASKET Gasket
1 EAA6626C GASKET Gasket
1 NS NOT SERVICED Ring, Snap{EAA6636A}
1 B9NN6A628A GASKET Gasket
1 FPN6600A KIT Kit, Repair, Oil Pump, Includes parts listed below, Years: 01/01/1955-12/31/1960
1 EBP6608A GEAR Gear & Shaft Assy., with Hex Shaft
1 EAA6614B GEAR Gear, Drive
1 EAA6619C GASKET Gasket, Cover
1 EAA6626C GASKET Gasket
AR EAA6659A GASKET Gasket
1 B9NN6A628A GASKET Gasket

 

[Soundguy]

parts list and diagram for rotor style oil pump used till 64.. also called a g-rotor:

AR D1NL6600A HYDRAULIC PUMP Pump Assy., Oil, L/Screen & Cover, This part is a direct replacement for C3NN6621B, When Replacing C3NN6621A, Also Use (1) D1NL6622A Cover & Inlet Tube and (1) B9NN6730A Plug, When replacing Gear Type Pump W/
1 B9NN6730A PLUG Plug, Oil Pan Drain, W/D1NL6600A, Years: 01/01/1961-12/31/1964
1 1 C1AE6604C Body, Oil Pump, Except Diesel, Years: 01/01/1961-12/31/1963
1 1 C3NN6604A Body, Oil Pump, Diesel, Years: 01/01/1963-12/31/1964
1 1 C4AE6604A Body, Oil Pump, Except Diesel, Years: 01/01/1963-12/31/1964
2 1 EAF66646D SHAFT Shaft, Oil Pump, Intermediate, Hex Drive, Years: 01/01/1961-12/31/1964
3 1 EAA6659A GASKET Gasket, Oil Pump to Block, Years: 01/01/1961-12/31/1964
4 2 EAF6638A BOLT Bolt, Oil Pump Mounting, Years: 01/01/1961-12/31/1964
5 2 PL PROCURE LOCALLY Washer, Lock, 3/8", Years: 01/01/1961-12/31/1964
6 2 PL PROCURE LOCALLY Nut, Hex, 3/8"-24, Years: 01/01/1961-12/31/1964
7 1 B9AE6674A PLUNGER Plunger, Oil Pump Relief Valve, Years: 01/01/1961-12/31/1964
8 1 86608463 SPRING Spring, Oil Pump Relief Valve, Years: 01/01/1961-12/31/1964
9 1 C2AE6A616B PLUG Plug, Oil Pump Relief Valve, Years: 01/01/1961-12/31/1964
10 1 B2AE6608A Rotor & Shaft Assy., Oil Pump Drive, 134", W/B3NN6621A, Years: 01/01/1953-12/31/1956
10 1 C0AE6608A ROTOR Rotor & Shaft Assy., Oil Pump Drive, .4935 Dia., W/C0NN6621A & C0NN-6621-B, Years: 01/01/1961-12/31/1963
10 1 C3AE6608B ROTOR Rotor & Shaft Assy., Oil Pump Drive, .5855 Dia., Years: 01/01/1961-12/31/1964
11 1 C0NN6616A SPARE PART Cover, Oil Pump, Except Diesel, Years: 01/01/1961-12/31/1964
11 1 C0NN6616B COVER Cover, Oil Pump, Diesel, Years: 01/01/1961-12/31/1964
2 PL PROCURE LOCALLY Bolt, HH, 1/4"-20 x 1", Except Diesel, Years: 01/01/1961-12/31/1964
2 PL PROCURE LOCALLY Washer, Lock, 1/4", Except Diesel, Years: 01/01/1961-12/31/1964
12 1 C0AE6626A GASKET Gasket, Body to Inlet Tube Flange, Except Diesel, Years: 01/01/1961-12/31/1964
12 1 C0NN6626A GASKET Gasket, Oil Pump Cover to Inlet Tube Flange, Diesel, Years: 01/01/1961-12/31/1964
13 1 C0NN6615A COVER Cover & Inlet Tube Assy., Screen, 134" Offset Only, Start Year: 01/01/1964
13 1 C0NN6615B COVER Cover & Inlet Tube Assy., Screen, Except Diesel, Years: 01/01/1961-12/31/1964
2 PL PROCURE LOCALLY Screw & Lockwasher, HH, 5/16"-18 x 1", Except Diesel, Years: 01/01/1961-12/31/1964
13 1 C0NN6622D Cover & Inlet Tube Assy., Screen, Diesel Offset Only, Years: 01/01/1961-12/31/1964
13 1 D1NL6622A COVER Cover & Inlet Tube Assy., Screen, Except Offset, Years: 01/01/1961-12/31/1964
2 PL PROCURE LOCALLY Bolt, HH, 1/4"-20 x 1.12, Diesel, Years: 01/01/1961-12/31/1964
2 PL PROCURE LOCALLY Washer, Lock, 1/4", Diesel, Years: 01/01/1961-12/31/1964
14 1 C0NN6A661A BRACKET Bracket, Oil Pump Inlet Tube, Diesel, Years: 01/01/1961-12/31/1964
15 1 C0NN6A628A GASKET Gasket, Cover to Oil Filter Inlet Tube, Years: 01/01/1961-12/31/1964
16 1 C0NN6716B TUBE Tube Assy., Oil Filter Inlet, Except Diesel, Years: 01/01/1961-12/31/1964
16 1 86579306 TUBE Tube Assy., Oil Filter Inlet, Diesel, Years: 01/01/1961-12/31/1964
17 2 PL PROCURE LOCALLY Bolt, HH, 1/4"-20 x 1.12, Years: 01/01/1961-12/31/1964
18 2 PL PROCURE LOCALLY Washer, Lock, 1/4", Years: 01/01/1961-12/31/1964
19 1 B9NN6A629A NUT Nut, Oil Filter Inlet Tube, 7/8-18 x 1/2", Hollow, Production installed Dyn. Balancer, Diesel, Years: 01/01/1961-12/31/1964
19 1 B9NN6A629B NUT Nut, Oil Filter Inlet Tube, 7/8-18 x 2.08", Hollow, Field installed Dyn. Balancer, 172" Diesel, Years: 01/01/1958-12/31/1959
19 1 B9NN6A629B NUT Nut, Oil Filter Inlet Tube, 7/8-18 x 2.08", Hollow, Field installed Dyn. Balancer, 144" Diesel, Years: 01/01/1958-12/31/1960
19 1 EAF66738B NUT Nut, Oil Filter Inlet Tube, Except Diesel, Years: 01/01/1961-12/31/1964
20 1 EAF66644A SEAL PROTECTION Seal, Oil Filter Inlet Tube, Years: 01/01/1961-12/31/1964

 

[Soundguy]

once you have the pan off.. you can work it.

here's a tip.. the front 2 bolts on the pan are a PITA!! but can be loosened enough with a tool that you can finger them out... same going back in..

and as you likely already know.. overtightening the pan bolts just leads to a warped pan sealing flange, and extruded and riply gasket, and a bunch of oil leaks. it should be a pretty beefy cork gasket they send.. razor blade top and bottom well and use solvent of choice to clean.. I prever brake cleaner.. I also like applying a smear of permatex to the gasket... not a bead.. but a smear... helps glue it in place.. keep it from sliding all around...

 

[jeff pk]

Thanks! Got the pan off---looks like it's the first pump assembly you posted---the earlier one. Started pulling it apart, but I don't know what to look for. It looks reasonably sound. Got the valve spring out and noticed some slight wear on the side of the spring. Filter inlet tube looks like it was pinched at some point and bent back. That's as far as I got. Moving beyond my pay-grade. Do yoe think I should remove and inspect the pump as per the book, which calls for a spring tension measure which I'm not set-up for. It seems like most problems come from low pressure, not high.

 

[Soundguy]

you are quite obviously making plenty of pressure..

 

[Soundguy]

i'd start by making sure the plunger moves smoothly, and there is now wear in the bore it rides, and spring is not too long or stiff. I unfortunately do not have a spring length offhand. it may ( probably ) is listed in the service manual.. which again.. I do not have handy..

i'll go post on the ford forum and see if anyone has a spring length handy...

 

[Soundguy]

no spring length info.. but as all of us came to the conclusion.. it didn't grow or get any stronger on it's own.

did the relief pluger act stuck in any way.. even the slightest grit or debris mah have stopped it... that wear on the spring has us wondering too... i think I'd replace it

 

[jeff pk]

I'll post back when I get it apart---I haven't taken the pump out yet, just fiddled with it in place, and can't get at the plunger while it's still attached. I got scared with the odd description in the manual of needing to pry out the two "tapered bolts" in the block, and on installation "the hollow head bolts are of special design having tapered shoulders"...