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    Default 1963 Ford 4000 fuel system parts questions

    Hello folks..just acquired a '63 ford 4000 with earlier hood, carb, air cleaner..etc ..was wondering how I go about getting it back to specs? Meaning the fuel line is a 1/4 routed through a sediment bowl on the right side of the tank around the front of engine to the carb...the hood air funnel doesn't line up to the top of the air cleaner ( it's painted red ) the carb was too small for the eng. so just got a new zenith...does anybody know the original routing of the fuel line and size?, and the dimensions of the stock air cleaner?.....Also this tractor has a 12 v conversion with a six volt coil with resistor (I'll swap it for a 12 v) do I need to change the condenser? If so what would be a good part number.... Many Thanks, Gary

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    Default Re: 1963 Ford 4000 fuel system parts questions

    that condensor is good for way mor ethan 12v.. it it is running, and you want to loose the 6v coil and resistor.. just get a napa ic14sb coil and go.

    sound sliek you have a repalcement tank that has the side port, and the center port.. OR you have a NAA tank with side port only.

    both will work.

    original setup used the center port and a line that ran downthe top of the engine behind the manifold.. should be a larger diameter line like 5/16 and hit a fuel bowl on the front of the carb with a banjo bolt.

    you can custom bend brake line .. etc.. your call.

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    Default Re: 1963 Ford 4000 fuel system parts questions

    Many Thanks SG...Will try to get a pic posted but am new to this forum stuff.....will take a while to figure it all out..Yep runnin good with the new carb. and a new 12v coil ... did that center port on the tank have a cutoff or was there a cutoff at the sed bowl?..Also when you use brake line do you flare the ends with the same type flaring tool used for copper plumbing?..The hood is in and painted but the air cleaner doesn't line up with hood intake...should I just wrap the top of the cleaner can with screen? I'm assuming to fill the empty air cleaner with mesh available online? Sg

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    Default Re: 1963 Ford 4000 fuel system parts questions

    the center port has a valve, the sediment bowl at the carb won't ( if you are using oem ).

    yes.. a standard DF tool will work.. however I find it esier to simply hit napa and pay 5$ for a piec eof line near the right size with the flared ends and nuts alredy on it. if it's a couple inches too long.. easy to make an exagerated bend or loop using a tubing bending tool to prevent crushing it. A QUALITY flare tool will do the steel line .. some cheap ones will have a hard time doing other than copper.

    the air cleaner should be filled with a steel floss material and oil in the cup. the steel floss is available on line. do not use steel wool.

    the fact the hood and air cleaner horn do not match is of little concern for practical purposes.. as long as the air horn is not obstructed it will be fine under the hood. the old 9n had the air cleaner under the hood and NO air horn to / thru the hood. just had a breather style top to the box and grabbed air under the hood.

    you can put some 1/4" hardware cloth ( wire fencing type stuff.. ) around the opening to keep mice and acorns out.. etc.

    ps.. on the brake line. get the size to match the existing carb you have.. and make sure it fits the valve. later units have the larger diameter fuel line.. etc.

    it's possible to mix n match the carbs and manifolds a bit with some creative work on the manifold ears..e tc. IE.. getting the narrow spaced or wide spaced studs to fit..e tc.

    all depends on what you got.

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    Default Re: 1963 Ford 4000 fuel system parts questions

    Many Thanks again....just noticed u have like a gazillion posts!!! Folks like you never get enough credit for all the time and expertise you add to the tractor community...I have learned more about my tractor in a few days from online posts than the week it took to read all printed service manuals..KUDOS!!...Will do all of the above and try to get a picture posted.Sg

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    have fun with the machine.

    fords are my favorite of all the old tractors.

    I especially like the 53-64 years.. and of those the 55-64 rowcrops. I've beat on the older ones 39-52 N series, and have some experience on the 65-81 models covering the 000/x600 series.

    I play with other colors too.. red, persian orange, flambeau red, and even them hi dollar snooty green and yellow things. Most of my 'other' tractors are from the mid 40's up to 50. with, again.. the fords i like in the mid 50's to mid 60's.

    post back if you hit a snag.

    love to see the pics too.

    ps.. welcome to the forum..

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    Default Re: 1963 Ford 4000 fuel system parts questions

    Soundguy & Shop geek: Good day, gentlemen! I recently purchased a '63 Ford 4000 here in the SE area of VA, and in playing around with it, decided to do a little research and history hunt with it, and in doing so, I happened across this site/forum and notes >>> and think I may have tripped across a thread of the previous owner (Shop geek), generated as he performed partial restoration on a turn-around tractor - pretty cool!

    Anywho, in getting to my core questions, my quest to learn more about this specific tractor and start my dive into manufacture numbers, model numbers, serial numbers, etc, I learned that this tractors' Model and Serial numbers match up exactly with data I found through 'tractordata.com' and on 'oldfordtractors.com,' i.e. Model number 41201 and Serial number 57339 both match up to everything that points to a '63 4000... HOWEVER, in looking over more numbers, the numbers/lettering on the lower right side of the engine block has raised some questions.

    That information reads "EAE 6015-D," which, according to 'oldfordtractors.com,' leads me to believe that the first three letters 'EAE' indicates this tractor has a 134 cu. inch/~36hp 4cyl gas engine, not the 172 cu. inch 55-horse engine that these tractors rolled out with. I looked carefully, and the raised lettering very clearly reads 'EAE' (not 'EAF'). As well, another tidbit that I learned as I looked at the documented tractor dimensions was that the wheelbase (assuming that my measurement of front wheel hub center to back wheel hub center is correct???) on this one measures roughly 75 inches.....which doesn't quite match up to the ~84 inches documented for a 4000...

    Further digging indicates this engine block number tells me it could actually be a 134 cu.inch block from a '53-'57 ??? model tractor....everything I've found about the '60-'64 year models tells me that number should be either a 'B9NN' or a 'C0NN' number....and I've found nothing at this point that might indicate what the '-D' suffix means on my engine block......

    Is there a chance that the engine in this "4000" could have been swapped out years ago <<<not so much a question as to whether it "could have been," but more a question along the lines of could a 134 cu. inch engine be bolted up in place of a 172 cu. inch engine and used in a 4000 tractor???>>> ....I don't have any further engine dimension data to go by that I can verify.... OR, is it possible that I might have a tractor that has had the clutch housing/transmission installed from a 4000 model into a 2000 model (thereby transferring along inaccurate 4000 model & serial numbers???)....and thereby supporting a 2000 model 75-inch wheelbase measurement??? This tractor has a 4-forward 1-reverse gearbox/tranny installed...

    I had also wondered if maybe, as new model year manufacturing continued using previous model year parts, that possibly the block number was something to not be concerned about, but, with the bore-stroke dimensions on the 134 cu. inch being 3.4375 x 3.60 inches, compared to the 172 cu. inches' 3.90 x 3.60, it's starting to seem as though this block is anything but a 134 cubic inch with ~36hp, and not the more powerful 172 cu. inch ~55hp engine that the '63 4000 rolled out with, nor any real way for me to verify otherwise...

    LOTS of questions now that just aren't adding up to any logical, conclusive answers....

    Do you have any other thoughts to offer on this one, or ideas that I can check to potentially conclude one way or the other what I really have here???

    Thanks.



    Quote Originally Posted by Soundguy View Post
    have fun with the machine.

    fords are my favorite of all the old tractors.

    I especially like the 53-64 years.. and of those the 55-64 rowcrops. I've beat on the older ones 39-52 N series, and have some experience on the 65-81 models covering the 000/x600 series.

    I play with other colors too.. red, persian orange, flambeau red, and even them hi dollar snooty green and yellow things. Most of my 'other' tractors are from the mid 40's up to 50. with, again.. the fords i like in the mid 50's to mid 60's.

    post back if you hit a snag.

    love to see the pics too.

    ps.. welcome to the forum..
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    While i'm digging for some manuals.. I'll answer a couple questions.

    ALL RED TIGER engines. 134 / 172 gas, 144/172 diesel and the 192 industrial ALL bolt up to all trans bellhousings from 1953 thru 1964 4 cyl series.

    Here is a partial list of block ID #'s EAE 6015 - 134 1953-1957
    EAF 6015 - 172 1953-1957
    310905 - 134 1958-1959
    310609 - 172 1958-1959
    B9NN-6015C - 134 late 1959 early 1960
    B9NN-6015A - 144D late 1959 early 1960
    B9NN6015J - 172 late 1959 early 1960
    B9NN6015B - 172D late 1959 early 1960
    C0NN-6015G - 134 sleeveless late 1962-1964
    C0NN-6015H - 144D late 1960-1964
    C0NN-6015C - 172D-G late 1960-1964
    C0NN-6015J - 172 late 1960-1964

    Next. As one might expect. if the engines all bolt to the trans.. then all the trans will bolt up with all the center sections. ( 55-64 )

    so you might have a swapped in tranny from a 4000. in fact.. entire machine might be a mutt.

    Here's a question. what type of oil filter setup does that machine have? a real 2000 / 4000 engine would have a spin on oil filter using NO adapter plate. IE.. it spins right to the block. A 53-57 engine would use a canister filter with a replacable element.. though culd be swapped to a metal plate the size of a saucer that mounts in place of the original canister ( which was near size of a quart paint can ), and then allows use of the spin on common filter.

    if your engine has the conversion plate or the canister filter it is an early engine ( sleeved too! ).. vs parent bore.

    now. why not post some pics of the tins and look at other date codes to see if they match up all over the machine. lots of possibilities for swaps. some swaps are easier than others as there are sn brakes where input shafts and output shafts go from coarse to fine spline.. but there are ways around that. brake pedal differences too.. but again.. nothing that can't be overcome when swapping 00 and 01 and 000 4 cyl parts

    as for 'wheel base' are you looking at adjustable axle width or actual distance from front hubs to rear hubs.

    hub to hub distance is the same onthe 134/172 models as all the trans and engines are the same external dimensions..
    souNdguy

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    Soundguy - Appreciate the response/assist...the info you all have available from experience is incredible! Since for the most part many/most sections can be swapped out & bolted right up in that 55-64 year models window, it's looking like some extra work has been done on this one over the years...attempting to attach a handful of pics that might help explain all better. I did lightly sand a bit on the Model/Serial Number horizontal, and Wala - there's yellow paint coat underneath... : (

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    My oil filter spins on directly to the block, and as best I can tell, is exactly as you noted below as having been modified with the conversion plate. It now has a generic PH8A Fram filter screwed onto the mount. Are there any benefits of the older 134 engine - and sleeved, as you pointed out???

    RPM gauge appears to be original, but know for sure the oil pressure, temp, and amp gauges were all replaced/installed new just before I bought it. There has been some body work done on the RF corner of hood - near headlight - but was only dent repair / cosmetic in nature. Not sure if the number on right side of tranny, just behind brake peds is of any value....as well as on right and left rear axle housings..

    Copy all with respect to wheelbase - I got the ~75 and ~84 inches for a 2000/4000 from the ref pages on Tractordata.com, and presumed the measurements were front wheel center-of-hub to back wheel center-of-hub...



    Quote Originally Posted by Soundguy View Post
    While i'm digging for some manuals.. I'll answer a couple questions.

    ALL RED TIGER engines. 134 / 172 gas, 144/172 diesel and the 192 industrial ALL bolt up to all trans bellhousings from 1953 thru 1964 4 cyl series.

    Here is a partial list of block ID #'s EAE 6015 - 134 1953-1957
    EAF 6015 - 172 1953-1957
    310905 - 134 1958-1959
    310609 - 172 1958-1959
    B9NN-6015C - 134 late 1959 early 1960
    B9NN-6015A - 144D late 1959 early 1960
    B9NN6015J - 172 late 1959 early 1960
    B9NN6015B - 172D late 1959 early 1960
    C0NN-6015G - 134 sleeveless late 1962-1964
    C0NN-6015H - 144D late 1960-1964
    C0NN-6015C - 172D-G late 1960-1964
    C0NN-6015J - 172 late 1960-1964

    Next. As one might expect. if the engines all bolt to the trans.. then all the trans will bolt up with all the center sections. ( 55-64 #

    so you might have a swapped in tranny from a 4000. in fact.. entire machine might be a mutt.

    Here's a question. what type of oil filter setup does that machine have? a real 2000 / 4000 engine would have a spin on oil filter using NO adapter plate. IE.. it spins right to the block. A 53-57 engine would use a canister filter with a replacable element.. though culd be swapped to a metal plate the size of a saucer that mounts in place of the original canister # which was near size of a quart paint can #, and then allows use of the spin on common filter.

    if your engine has the conversion plate or the canister filter it is an early engine # sleeved too! ).. vs parent bore.

    now. why not post some pics of the tins and look at other date codes to see if they match up all over the machine. lots of possibilities for swaps. some swaps are easier than others as there are sn brakes where input shafts and output shafts go from coarse to fine spline.. but there are ways around that. brake pedal differences too.. but again.. nothing that can't be overcome when swapping 00 and 01 and 000 4 cyl parts

    as for 'wheel base' are you looking at adjustable axle width or actual distance from front hubs to rear hubs.

    hub to hub distance is the same onthe 134/172 models as all the trans and engines are the same external dimensions..

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    Default Re: 1963 Ford 4000 fuel system parts questions

    Things get switch around on these old fords quite a bit. Lets have a look at the rear of the tractor

    Kirk

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