Winter oil in old Kohler

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s1120

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My Ingersoll has an old Kohler 14hp single in it. In the summer I always run 30 weight oil in it, but this year I need to use it for plowing snow.[Long story, snow blowers packed away, because I was going to be moving into the new house before winter, well its not done yet, and I cant get to the blower] I want to change the oil to something thinner for the cold weather. What should I run? I have always run 5w40 syntec in my snowblower. Can I use this in the old Kohler? It has about 700 hours on it, and uses just a little oil.[about a ½ pt for 6 hours use] any other recommendations? Thanks.
 
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I use 5w30 regular oil or 5w40 synthetic in small engines in the winter, no problem. In fact, I run the 5w40 year round in a couple of the older ones that don't have filters, and the oil looks great at the end of the year oil change. You cannot safely run 30 weight in the winter, and it's pretty hard to even find 20W-20 these days, so I think by process of elimination you have to use a multiweight oil.
 
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Hi Paul,

Right down the street from ya… @ WalMarts…

I just got this for the wife’s Honda…. Shhh… don’t tell anyone I put Ford engine oil in a brand new Honda… /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif

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Motorcraft SAE 5W-20 Premium Synthetic Blend Motor Oil
 
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Hey John. I don't eaven have to go down the street. I just have to look to the left of me when I am standing at the counter at work./w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif I got about ten casses of the stuff there./w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
Oh and I dont think your Honda will mind, We put it in Mazdas all the time./w3tcompact/icons/grin.gif
 
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I am skeptical of 5W20 oil. We have a 2001 Ford and a 2003 Honda, both of which call for 5w20 year round.

In the mid-80s I attended a lube oil seminar given by oil engineers at a major oil company. They told how 5w30 came to be spec'd in car manuals. It seems the car companies used 5w30 to run their EPA CAFE mileage tests. Well, the EPA said they could only run the oil that they were specifying for the consumer to use. Viola, the manuals recommend 5w30.

Fast forward to today. Ford is struggling with its fleet average fuel economy. They have found that using 5w20 instead of 5w30 brings an increase in fuel economy of 1/10 of a mile per gallon, and of course it's "free". I haven't researched Honda but I imagine it's the same concept.

The 5w20 oils ARE made to very high specs. But still, 20 is 20, and that means it is awful thin at high temps. I personally am not going to use 5w20, not for a tenth of a mile per gallon. 5w20 would not be close to my first choice for a small engine. 5w30 or 5w40 or 10w30 would be my choices.

YMMV.
[your mileage may vary]
:)
 
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<font color=red>They told how 5w30 came to be spec'd in car manuals. It seems the car companies used 5w30 to run their EPA CAFE mileage tests. Well, the EPA said they could only run the oil that they were specifying for the consumer to use. Viola, the manuals recommend 5w30. </font color=red>

Thats something I was thinking about also. Guy at work has a new Ford F250SD and they say use 5w20. I can't see using that thin of an oil wile towing what that truck can tow. But I also know thinner oils have a few advantages. Better gas milage, lube gets to engine parts quicker, Less HP pumping loss. etc. But there is a point where you get TO thin. /w3tcompact/icons/hmm.gif Got to love this oil thing./w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

Well, back to the Kolher. I have some left over 5w40 syntec. Any reason why I should not use it? Any problems with the thinner synthic oils in the old aircooled motors? Not concerned about the cost, I get half qts for free.
 
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I have been using the Castrol 5w-50 in my Ingersol 448 (Onan) for a while now. As you know when mowing and snow, blowing the engine in these things works quite hard and gets quite hot. So, I like the thought of using a 50w oil in an old engine like mine and a 5w oil for fast lubrication on the startups. Mobil 1 also has a 0w-40, which would be great for the winters. I don't need an oil change otherwise, I'd use it.

You may find your oil consumption go down with a 40 or 50w oil. I had an old Mercury Sable with 140k on it, if I put 5w-30 in it, I'd burn 2-3 quarts between oil changes, if I put 10-40 in I'd burn a quart between changes.

I also use the Motorcraft FL-400S filter and recently I've switched to the Purilator Pure 1 or Fram Duraguard equivalent, since they have better filtration, 98% single pass efficiency. I've noticed the oil stays clean twice as long 50hrs vs. 25hrs with these filters over OEM filter. If these filters will fit on your Kohler, I would recommend using them because of the increased filter area and oil capacity.
 
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And the winner is..............

10w30..........

OK, I had about 1/2 hour to get some work done on the tractor. I had on the shelf of the garage 2 qts 30, 1/2 qt 5w40 syntec, 1/2 a 5gal pail of 15w40 rotella, and 3 qts 10w30. So I guess it just came down to what I had on hand when changing time popped up./w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
 
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Don, I know some of the manufacturers did exactly as you said several years ago; recommended a thinner oil in order to help their CAFE specs. Down here in the warm Texas climate, I've been using 10W-40 for years and have never had a problem. And now I have two 1999 Ford products; an Escort sedan and and F150 pickup. The owners manuals for both call for 5W-30, while the new models call for 5W-20. Now I still suspect those recommendations are for the same reason; HOWEVER, I recently had the owner of an Xpress Lube place (Texaco quick oil change business that also sells all the other brands of oil) tell me that he services Texas Highway Patrol cars and that the Highway Patrol was told by Ford that their warranty would be voided unless they use the 5W-20 year round even in the Texas heat. He claims it's because of the closer tolerances and smaller oil passages of the new engines.

That sounds logical, but I don't know the fellow well enough to have any idea whether he was right or not, and I've not tried to research the topic lately, so you can take that information for what it's worth.

Anybody, besides me, old enough to remember the old annual Mobil Oil economy runs in the '50s, when Mobil bought new cars of various makes off the showroom floor each year and had a team of drivers drive them across the country and then published the mileage results? And the year when a lot of people had differential failures on Chrysler products? Turned out that since Mobil never told the manufacturers where they would buy the cars, only WHEN they were going to do it, Chrysler just put a light weight motor oil in all the differentials produced for a week or so to help their mileage results. And those differentials failed early because they were designed for 80W-90 gear oil./w3tcompact/icons/frown.gif
 
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Bird wrote:

He claims it's because of the closer tolerances and smaller oil passages of the new engines.


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Yeah, I think that is a rumor that Ford service folks spread. I think the engine in your 1999 F-150 is the same as the one in my 2001 F-150.
 
 
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