Seat Belts
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Nice! Had to hunt that down to see if there was a demonstration of it:
YouTube - Seat Belt Convincer
bdw593
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jlsmith said:
Had a fellow around here with this same thoughts as you. He got into a collision one night and flipped his car with his young son in the car with him.(btw he too has cut several out himself)
The force of the collision ejected him from the vehicle through the passenger side window where his son was sitting and killed his young son from the blunt force trama. If belted it would have been a collision with little or no injuries. Father lived young son died. Can't believe people think other persons safety is less important than a little discomfort, that you don't even notice once you get used to wearing a seatbelt.
The human body and everything in the vehicle becomes projectiles within the vehicle in the event of a collision.
The Haymaker
Veteran Member
This is a lost battle with those who still do not want to admit seatbelts do as intended.
YouTube - Volvo FH12 Crash (Roll) Test
YouTube - Volvo truck rollover test 2
I require my kids to use it, but I'm too good to be hurt. Kids get to watch me die while pinned half under my car while they hang upside down securely fastened in their seats? No problemo!
YouTube - Volvo FH12 Crash (Roll) Test
YouTube - Volvo truck rollover test 2
I require my kids to use it, but I'm too good to be hurt. Kids get to watch me die while pinned half under my car while they hang upside down securely fastened in their seats? No problemo!
Bison
Platinum Member
You're damned if you do and damned if you don't
wvpolekat
Platinum Member
No, damned if you don't. The additional risk in very specific circumstances is so tiny it could not even be measured let alone being anything close to a valid reason to not wear one.
I don't have a problem with adults not wearing them IF, they clearly mark the outside of the car that that they do not wish to have assistance from emergency responders and medical treatment. OR they have a $1,000,000 policy that will cover them and anyone else they injure in the accident while not wearing a seatbelt. I promise, after they price the policy, they will just buckle up. Parents with children in the car would be exempt from both and must always wear a seatbelt. This is only to prevent the emotional scarring the children would have after watching their parents die from their arrogance.
These are probably the same people that think that airbags are going to hurt them more than a face full of dashboard or windshield.
If this offends some of you, I frankly don't care. You can save all your silly arguments for the EMTs and firefighters that risk their own lives to pry your dumb *** out of the mangled car. If you want to put yourself at greater risk, rock on. I just don't want to finance your stupidity for you.
Seatbelts are not 100%, people can and do get injured while wearing them, sometimes even by them. But, the margin of safety they add is far greater than any risk they carry. If people aren't smart enough to see that, perhaps they should die in a car crash.
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Very interesting thread; don't know how I missed it.
My grand parents lived into their late 80's and 90's without wearing seat belts and it never killed them, therefore seat belts are not needed; sounds pretty stupid doesn't it.
If you live a long full life and never have a serious accident, seat belt use will have been irrelevant I suppose.
In 1969, I was a passenger in a vehicle without seat belts when the driver lost control and hit utility pole. Of four people in the vehicle, I was the only one injured. Does that mean since three of four people were not injured, seat belts would have been statistically unimportant? Anyone of the three other people could say to this day, "I wasn't wearing a seat belt and I did OK, ergo seat belts don't save lives.
I spent 4 1/2 months in a hospital bed and still suffer from partial paralysis; was paralyzed from the neck down for a while. It took 2 1/2 years to get back in college. I was finally able to have a long successful career due to a lot of physical therapy and hard work. Still, not a waking moment goes by that I am not in pain though.
On December 21, 2006 at 1600 hours, I was returning to our main office when a young woman and her companion pulled into my path. I slammed on my brakes, but couldn't avoid impact. I hit her broadside and was slammed into my airbag. I spun around and the air bag had deflated. I was headed into the rail and the impact had lodged my right foot under the brake, so I couldn't stop the vehicle and had to watch the second impact unable to do a damned thing about it. My seat belt kept me out of my windshield; don't tell me a seat belt isn't needed because the airbag will protect you.
My vehicle came to rest facing the young woman's vehicle. A MSHP Trooper friend of mine responded as did an ambulance. I directed them to take care of the other occupants first and had to watch them being taken out and put on an air evac. I didn't think anyone could have survived, but there is always hope I suppose.
The young driver, a 20 year old nursing student was buried a few days later. She was not wearing a seat belt. Her passenger, who was wearing a seat belt suffered only a broken arm. I honestly don't know if a seat belt would have saved her life, but it might have. I know from experience and speaking to my friend, had I not been wearing a seat belt, I would have been more seriously injured or killed.
The collision aggravated my old injuries and I retired about a year and a half later; earlier than I planned. I still replay that moment in time trying to figure if there was anything I could have done to keep from hitting that little girl.
I know anecdotes can't be used to "prove" anything, but please don't try to tell me that overall seat belts don't save lives or they are not needed because of airbags.
My grand parents lived into their late 80's and 90's without wearing seat belts and it never killed them, therefore seat belts are not needed; sounds pretty stupid doesn't it.
If you live a long full life and never have a serious accident, seat belt use will have been irrelevant I suppose.
In 1969, I was a passenger in a vehicle without seat belts when the driver lost control and hit utility pole. Of four people in the vehicle, I was the only one injured. Does that mean since three of four people were not injured, seat belts would have been statistically unimportant? Anyone of the three other people could say to this day, "I wasn't wearing a seat belt and I did OK, ergo seat belts don't save lives.
I spent 4 1/2 months in a hospital bed and still suffer from partial paralysis; was paralyzed from the neck down for a while. It took 2 1/2 years to get back in college. I was finally able to have a long successful career due to a lot of physical therapy and hard work. Still, not a waking moment goes by that I am not in pain though.
On December 21, 2006 at 1600 hours, I was returning to our main office when a young woman and her companion pulled into my path. I slammed on my brakes, but couldn't avoid impact. I hit her broadside and was slammed into my airbag. I spun around and the air bag had deflated. I was headed into the rail and the impact had lodged my right foot under the brake, so I couldn't stop the vehicle and had to watch the second impact unable to do a damned thing about it. My seat belt kept me out of my windshield; don't tell me a seat belt isn't needed because the airbag will protect you.
My vehicle came to rest facing the young woman's vehicle. A MSHP Trooper friend of mine responded as did an ambulance. I directed them to take care of the other occupants first and had to watch them being taken out and put on an air evac. I didn't think anyone could have survived, but there is always hope I suppose.
The young driver, a 20 year old nursing student was buried a few days later. She was not wearing a seat belt. Her passenger, who was wearing a seat belt suffered only a broken arm. I honestly don't know if a seat belt would have saved her life, but it might have. I know from experience and speaking to my friend, had I not been wearing a seat belt, I would have been more seriously injured or killed.
The collision aggravated my old injuries and I retired about a year and a half later; earlier than I planned. I still replay that moment in time trying to figure if there was anything I could have done to keep from hitting that little girl.
I know anecdotes can't be used to "prove" anything, but please don't try to tell me that overall seat belts don't save lives or they are not needed because of airbags.
bdw593
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TripleR said:
Airbags are made to work in conjunction with seatbelts.
The Haymaker
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I'll do it shorter than WVPOLEKAT.
You're damned if you don't and have a chance at redemption if you do.
Bird
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For those of us who have long been in the habit of wearing seat belts, it's just impossible to comprehend why anyone would decide not to wear them.
I started when I installed seat belts myself in a new 1962 Austin Healy Sprite that came without seat belts.
I mentioned earlier in this thread that there is no doubt it saved my left on December 29, 1965, (almost a month before our first daughter was born).
Then on February 2, 1999, my wife lost control of our 1993 Ford Escort Station Wagon, and rolled it. I don't really know how many revolutions she made, but she cleared a barbed wire fence without touching or damaging it, and came to rest upside down in a briar patch in a pasture. She was pretty severely bruised, but no broken bones; almost certainly would have been killed without the seat belt.
When I taught our daughters to drive, I also told them I'd take their drivers license if I ever caught them without their seat belts on (before the days when it was illegal to fail to wear one).
I can understand someone thinking it feels odd to put that belt on, if you've not been accustomed to it, but it's not uncomfortable, and when you've worn one as long as we have, it just wouldn't feel natural or comfortable to move a car without having it on.