Hydraulics reversed

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paulibear

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763 bobcat
Was pushing on a small tree with my 763 bobcat when my engine speed slowed (due to built up hydraulic pressure I assume) when I tried to back off the tree I found that the hydraulic controls had reversed ( forward and reverse) but lowering the bucket worked properly but slowly from the load. Any help would be greatly appreciated
thanks Paulibear
 
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Rick is right. It stalled then started backwards.
 
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How do I get this back to proper operation bobcat turns over but doesnt fire sounds like engine has a load on it doesnt sound right . Never heard of the engine running backwards???????
Thanks for any help Paulibear
 
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paulibear said:
How do I get this back to proper operation bobcat turns over but doesnt fire sounds like engine has a load on it doesnt sound right . Never heard of the engine running backwards???????
Thanks for any help Paulibear

How long was it running with hydrolics backwards. Did the engine stall before running backwards diesel engines don't actuality run backwards. For long i.e. check for oil @ air intake.
 
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Hydraulics ran backwards for less than 1min I cut the throttle and engine stalled Engine may have stalled and restarted but I thought I had lost power as engine speed was under a heavy load and decreased by half or more before I realized hydraulics were reversed and backed off the tree then I cut throttle and it stalled Could this be a timing chain issue or fuel pump issue?????????
Thanks for any help Paulibear
 
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Take a short hydraulic hose and put a male and female on the ends, then connct to the front auxiliary couplers. Now try starting. If it cranks over easier and starts, you have a blocked restircition in the hydraulic control valve. The loop hose allows the oil to flow without deadheading against the pump.
 
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hydrostats do not like to run backwards. Well not for long anyway, no charge pressure=massive failure. your ground drive pumps are stats. CJ
 
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paulibear ,

You haven't said whether you started the machine up recently and tried the controls .

If you did start it and it ran normally, did the controls function correctly?

Try disabling the run circuit and motor the engine over and see if the pump is pumping correctly.

Remove the aux hyd pump OUT hose and place in a bucket and see if the pump is pumping.

Do you have any hyd gages in the hyd system, and if so, what pressure do they indicate?
 
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Testing a prototype under severe conditions I was able to get it to run backwards. It involved climbing a hill at full propel until the engine died, then rolled back some before the loss of hydraulic pressure automatically applied the spring applied hydraulic release parking brake. During one of my tests, the machine sounded strange, like the engine was running at low idle, and then stopped. I had instrumented this machine thoroughly. When I analyzed my data, I found it did run backwards for 7 seconds drawing fuel for the common rail supply pump from the return to tank. No problem with any of the 3 hydrostatic or 2 open center gear pumps on the machine. I am at a total loss to explain your control reversal. My instance was a hydro with a closed circuit so it always was filled with oil less leakage. If yours has a gear pump running backwards it could possibly draw oil from the circuits and then supply it to - the hydraulic reservoir where it isn't going to do anything. Wicked engine gyrations as it dies can cause problems. The engine I described above - the next day it spit its innards on the ground. Our engine design group couldn't believe my data so they duplicated it on a dyno and found it possible including the fuel supply I described above and found running backwards, the injection timing was so far off it put the strain on the rods that ended up ventilating the block so a sense was added to the crank to detect engine reversal and cut off the injectors. Could the engine gyrations while yours died have cracked some components in the cam/FIP gear train, or in the pump to crank coupling?
 

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