KWRB
Bronze Member
So I've used this forum for SEVERAL years, relying on others having had similar experiences and the wealth of knowledge shared by members. Class acts, all of you.
Well I registered and came out of the shadows because for the first time ever (save flat tires and a dead battery), my deere 4610 is down. I put it away a week ago with no issues and today this. I'm very concerned. Okay, I'm actually freaking out. Any help would be appreciated tremendously!
Symptoms:
Hydraulics are jerky both in the hydrostatic drive and the loader.
Troubleshooting Completed:
Jerking occurs regardless of direction (forward or reverse) - eliminates pedals as root cause
Jerking occurs regardless of "gear" (A, B, or C) - not a gear
Jerking occurs when raising the loader as well - not transmission, definitely in the hydraulic pumping system
No jerking lowering loader
Work Completed:
Drained approximately ten gallons hydraulic fluid from transmission sump. System contains 9.7 gallons, so it doesn't look like I had a slow leak and was low. Color is dark green looking, I think, but it's in dirty old 5 gal opaque buckets
Removed hydraulic filter and power steering filter. Saved them in case I decide to open them up. Removed the strainer from the sump. Stopped there. I don't want to drop all the money on new filters and fluid, if it's likely a hydraulic pump failure. I also don't want to start tearing into the tractor to get to the pump if it's likely not the pump.
Observations/Conclusions:
Not much. First, the strainer has a substantial amount of metal shavings in it. I'm not certain what to make of it. I have read on here today that if the system's never been opened up, that shouldn't be a shock. I bought this tractor "used" with 120 hours on it, and it has about 400 now.
Questions:
1) Based on the symptoms, does anyone have any general suspicions about the root cause?
2) What is the best way to open up the filter to evaluate without getting saw cuttings in there?
3) Are those metal shavings in the strainer truly not a concern? In my professional experience with a different type of machine, metal shavings mean certain death.
4) Are there truly equivalent alternatives to Deere hydraulic filters and Deere low viscosity HyGard hydraulic fluid? I don't want to cut corners with substandard materials, but I am not a fan of the green paint markup. Also, there is only one company that owns every Deere dealership in Central New York and they jack you with an additional "captive audience" markup that is absolutely infuriating. I have used Fram Tough Guard oil filters, Napa Gold air filters, and Shell Rotella motor oil in the past.
5) What is the likelihood that I have a hydraulic pump failure? If so, how much surgery is needed to extract the pump and to rebuild it?
6) Deere shows two hydraulic pumps in their online parts lists. Are there two hydraulic pumps or is mine one of those two options?
7) Deere's online parts list shows, for the power steering filter, that I should use part LVA10419, but to use LVU14258 when using the 72" mid-mount mower (which I do). I assume this is a shorter filter that doesn't interfere when the mower is lifted entirely. Can someone confirm? Ironically, I know the mower was sold with the tractor when new, and it had the LVA10419 filter on it, with a minor indentation on the bottom that I cannot confirm is from the mower without hooking it all back up.
Thank You all for any help -partial or complete- you can provide
Kurt
Well I registered and came out of the shadows because for the first time ever (save flat tires and a dead battery), my deere 4610 is down. I put it away a week ago with no issues and today this. I'm very concerned. Okay, I'm actually freaking out. Any help would be appreciated tremendously!
Symptoms:
Hydraulics are jerky both in the hydrostatic drive and the loader.
Troubleshooting Completed:
Jerking occurs regardless of direction (forward or reverse) - eliminates pedals as root cause
Jerking occurs regardless of "gear" (A, B, or C) - not a gear
Jerking occurs when raising the loader as well - not transmission, definitely in the hydraulic pumping system
No jerking lowering loader
Work Completed:
Drained approximately ten gallons hydraulic fluid from transmission sump. System contains 9.7 gallons, so it doesn't look like I had a slow leak and was low. Color is dark green looking, I think, but it's in dirty old 5 gal opaque buckets
Removed hydraulic filter and power steering filter. Saved them in case I decide to open them up. Removed the strainer from the sump. Stopped there. I don't want to drop all the money on new filters and fluid, if it's likely a hydraulic pump failure. I also don't want to start tearing into the tractor to get to the pump if it's likely not the pump.
Observations/Conclusions:
Not much. First, the strainer has a substantial amount of metal shavings in it. I'm not certain what to make of it. I have read on here today that if the system's never been opened up, that shouldn't be a shock. I bought this tractor "used" with 120 hours on it, and it has about 400 now.
Questions:
1) Based on the symptoms, does anyone have any general suspicions about the root cause?
2) What is the best way to open up the filter to evaluate without getting saw cuttings in there?
3) Are those metal shavings in the strainer truly not a concern? In my professional experience with a different type of machine, metal shavings mean certain death.
4) Are there truly equivalent alternatives to Deere hydraulic filters and Deere low viscosity HyGard hydraulic fluid? I don't want to cut corners with substandard materials, but I am not a fan of the green paint markup. Also, there is only one company that owns every Deere dealership in Central New York and they jack you with an additional "captive audience" markup that is absolutely infuriating. I have used Fram Tough Guard oil filters, Napa Gold air filters, and Shell Rotella motor oil in the past.
5) What is the likelihood that I have a hydraulic pump failure? If so, how much surgery is needed to extract the pump and to rebuild it?
6) Deere shows two hydraulic pumps in their online parts lists. Are there two hydraulic pumps or is mine one of those two options?
7) Deere's online parts list shows, for the power steering filter, that I should use part LVA10419, but to use LVU14258 when using the 72" mid-mount mower (which I do). I assume this is a shorter filter that doesn't interfere when the mower is lifted entirely. Can someone confirm? Ironically, I know the mower was sold with the tractor when new, and it had the LVA10419 filter on it, with a minor indentation on the bottom that I cannot confirm is from the mower without hooking it all back up.
Thank You all for any help -partial or complete- you can provide
Kurt