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    So, I went into the local John Deere dealer with my 2 kids and mom after picking up my daughter from pre-school. One salesman was busy with a customer and the other two were busy talking to each other while I was standing in the "show room". After the one salesman finished up with his customer, he actually asked to help me.

    Anyway, I was there to get a price on a Z445 Zero Turn Mower and to look at tractors. The price he gave me on the Z445 was MSRP and he didn't even know about the rebate on the mower until I mentioned it.

    Is this standard procedure on a Zero Turn Mower from John Deere? I have heard that there is some leeway in pricing on tractors, but is there no room for negotiation on the Zero Turn Mowers? If so, I'll just buy the thing. If not, I'll shop around. Not too sure I'll buy from these guys becasue not a single one of them asked to help me while I was looking at the 2000 and 3000 series tractors they had on the lot. FYI - I really like the 3720 that I saw on the lot and it is going to be on my wish list for the end of tax season 2012. Just need to focus on the Zero Turn Mower right now.

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    From reading here on TBN I have found it is a regional thing. Some guys say they are getting 15% off or more from MSRP while guys like me get to pay full price.
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    Look around and you will find better deals likely. For example here is a link to JD 445 with some new and used. Will give you a good idea of what to pay.

    JOHN DEERE Z445, Used JOHN DEERE Z445, JOHN DEERE Z445 For Sale At TractorHouse.com - Page 1

    There are large dealers (typically in farm country) that may do better due to volume they sell..

    Then you could always look at other brands, or going up a model size, or getting a leftover 3009/2010 model with a few hours is another choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fabsroman View Post
    Anyway, I was there to get a price on a Z445 Zero Turn Mower and to look at tractors. The price he gave me on the Z445 was MSRP and he didn't even know about the rebate on the mower until I mentioned it.

    Is this standard procedure on a Zero Turn Mower from John Deere? I have heard that there is some leeway in pricing on tractors, but is there no room for negotiation on the Zero Turn Mowers? If so, I'll just buy the thing. If not, I'll shop around.
    The higher up you get in a specific product line (Z200 to Z400 to Z600; X300 to X500 to X700, etc) the more likely you will be to get a discount. As in most other products, the higher priced it is, the more room there will be for negotiation. Personally, all of our D100 (formerly LA100) and Z200 models are sold at MSRP - unless there is a rebate or something coming from Deere. Unfortunately there is not enough mark-up in these entry level products to give any kind of discount.

    In regards to the Z445, see if you can find a 2010 Model as they still had the commercial grade powertrain (Kawasaki engine and Kanzaki DUP) while the 2011 models have the new Briggs commercial engine and the less desirable HydroGear ZT2800 transmissions. The $250.00 rebate you are referring to is available on both the 2010 and 2011 models.

    I would like to apologize for some of my Deere "brothers"... We always try to at least greet a customer that comes in - even if we are working with someone else. At least then the customer has been acknowledged and does not feel like they are being ignored. That being said, some always fall through the cracks, but we really do try! On the subject of being ignored while two otherwise not busy salespeople converse with each other... There really is no excuse for that at all. From my experience (and from customer comments, online and in person) it tends to be worse at a larger Ag store that carries Turf products then it would be at a dedicated Turf store.

    Also, the $250.00 rebate was just announced on the first of March (is it really March already???) so if the salesperson was not keeping up (which they of course should be!) with his bulletins, product news etc they may not have known about it - hopefully that was the case and they were not just hoping that YOU didnt know about it!

    Wow. That was a little more long winded then I originally intended it to be!

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    I can run a D100 and a 9560RT (and most of the models in between) all in the same day!!!

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    Schiller Grounds Care make many of the zero turn units..

    Take a look.. I have a Bunton, very pleased with it..

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    Quote Originally Posted by BleedGreen View Post
    The higher up you get in a specific product line (Z200 to Z400 to Z600; X300 to X500 to X700, etc) the more likely you will be to get a discount. As in most other products, the higher priced it is, the more room there will be for negotiation. Personally, all of our D100 (formerly LA100) and Z200 models are sold at MSRP - unless there is a rebate or something coming from Deere. Unfortunately there is not enough mark-up in these entry level products to give any kind of discount.

    In regards to the Z445, see if you can find a 2010 Model as they still had the commercial grade powertrain (Kawasaki engine and Kanzaki DUP) while the 2011 models have the new Briggs commercial engine and the less desirable HydroGear ZT2800 transmissions. The $250.00 rebate you are referring to is available on both the 2010 and 2011 models.

    I would like to apologize for some of my Deere "brothers"... We always try to at least greet a customer that comes in - even if we are working with someone else. At least then the customer has been acknowledged and does not feel like they are being ignored. That being said, some always fall through the cracks, but we really do try! On the subject of being ignored while two otherwise not busy salespeople converse with each other... There really is no excuse for that at all. From my experience (and from customer comments, online and in person) it tends to be worse at a larger Ag store that carries Turf products then it would be at a dedicated Turf store.

    Also, the $250.00 rebate was just announced on the first of March (is it really March already???) so if the salesperson was not keeping up (which they of course should be!) with his bulletins, product news etc they may not have known about it - hopefully that was the case and they were not just hoping that YOU didnt know about it!

    Wow. That was a little more long winded then I originally intended it to be!

    BG
    Thanks for the response. The longer winded the better, because it gives me more to chew on. Now, if I can just find an unsold 2010 Z445 in the Maryland area. Don't even mind taking the truck a little ways to pick it up. However, finding used equipment in Maryland is like pulling teeth.

    FYI - I was really surprised with the level of service at that dealership, but it is the first time that I have ever been looking to buy lawn/farm care equipment and I have no idea what to really expect. Figured it would be kind of like buying a car where the salespeople really want to make the sale. Bought enough cars to know how that process usually goes. Maybe I am wrong about the zero turn mower and tractor selling process.

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    I highly recommend that what every you buy you try on YOUR lawn before you write the check. I made a $11,000 mistake with the zero turn I bought and ended up buying a 2320 to do the job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimjo2 View Post
    I highly recommend that what every you buy you try on YOUR lawn before you write the check. I made a $11,000 mistake with the zero turn I bought and ended up buying a 2320 to do the job.
    If you don't mind me asking, why was the zero turn a mistake for you? Were you unable to mow the grass with it for some reason? Why did you end up going with the 2320 in lieu of the zero turn?

    $11,000 for a zero turn? I'm assuming that you bought one of the professional grade models. Plus, it really wasn't an $11,000 mistake unless you destroyed the mower. I am assuming that you were able to either sell it or trade it in on the tractor.

    As of right now, and based upon other advise I received in another thread I started on here, the plan is to buy the mower right now to mow the grass and then to buy a 3520 or 3720 next year to deal with real chores around the house and at a friend's 120 acre farm 6 miles down the road. I was initially looking at something like the 2520, but after looking them over at the dealer yesterday, I really fell in love with the 3720. Gives me a saving goal for this time next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BleedGreen View Post
    The higher up you get in a specific product line (Z200 to Z400 to Z600; X300 to X500 to X700, etc) the more likely you will be to get a discount. As in most other products, the higher priced it is, the more room there will be for negotiation. Personally, all of our D100 (formerly LA100) and Z200 models are sold at MSRP - unless there is a rebate or something coming from Deere. Unfortunately there is not enough mark-up in these entry level products to give any kind of discount.

    In regards to the Z445, see if you can find a 2010 Model as they still had the commercial grade powertrain (Kawasaki engine and Kanzaki DUP) while the 2011 models have the new Briggs commercial engine and the less desirable HydroGear ZT2800 transmissions. The $250.00 rebate you are referring to is available on both the 2010 and 2011 models.

    I would like to apologize for some of my Deere "brothers"... We always try to at least greet a customer that comes in - even if we are working with someone else. At least then the customer has been acknowledged and does not feel like they are being ignored. That being said, some always fall through the cracks, but we really do try! On the subject of being ignored while two otherwise not busy salespeople converse with each other... There really is no excuse for that at all. From my experience (and from customer comments, online and in person) it tends to be worse at a larger Ag store that carries Turf products then it would be at a dedicated Turf store.

    Also, the $250.00 rebate was just announced on the first of March (is it really March already???) so if the salesperson was not keeping up (which they of course should be!) with his bulletins, product news etc they may not have known about it - hopefully that was the case and they were not just hoping that YOU didnt know about it!

    Wow. That was a little more long winded then I originally intended it to be!

    BG
    Found a 2011 model with the 2010 tranny and engine in it. The salesman that called me said he had a 2011 on the lot that must have been left over from 2010 stock because it has the Kawasaki engine and Kanzaki DUP tranny in it. He told me that he is pretty sure it is a 2010 model dressed up like a 2011, because the serial number looks like the old 2010 serial number and the 2011 serial numbers for the Z445 are completely different when compared to the 2010. That was the only one they had out of their 5 locations and he wasn't willing to budge on price. However, it did qualify for the $250 rebate. Paid $100 more for it than an actual 2011 at $4,849, but bought it anyway. Figure $100, or whatever I might get off of MSRP on an actual Z445, just isn't worth it. Final price to me after rebate, tax, and delivery to my door is $4,988 and I am alright with it IF it is as described.

    Now, I think I can tell the difference between a Briggs engine and a Kawasaki engine pretty easily. However, how can I tell the difference between the two transmissions?

    The only problem I can see in the future is trying to buy parts for it. I'll just have to tell the parts guy it is a 2010 and hopefully that will work. Otherwise, I'll tell him it is a 2011 when the part doesn't look right.

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    fabsroman,

    The Kawasaki engines are easy to ID of course.. I have the 25HP Kawasaki FH721 series engine and its a great engine on my Ferris IS 2000.

    For the drive motors, the Hydrogear 2800 is a one piece pump and wheel motor all in one for each drive wheel. Google this and you will see a pic.

    Your unit will have 2 belt driven hydro pumps - Kanzaki 10CC under the seat with fans on the top, then hoses going to each wheel motor which are Parker wheel motors.

    Parts are no issue as they go by S/N and there are many out there with these pumps, motors now. The other parts should be the same - belts, blades etc

    Good luck and take some pics when you get it!

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