2210 or 4010

[Koz]

I am planning to upgrade from a JD 445 (w/ 60" deck and the MC 519 cart). I own 3.5 acres. About 2 acres is grass with multiple plantings and trees (mostly evergreens that are approx 4' diameter). The last 1.5 acres is a rough field that is only mowed every 2-3 weeks.

All in all, we have been pleased with the 445 but it sometimes has difficulty going through the field. I am convinced a diesel would be better. Also, I would like the option of getting a useful loader in the future (the 445's loader is not very capable).

We have looked at the BX 2230 and the JD 2210 and 4010. At this point, I think I prefer the JD offerings to the Kubota (more comfortable and I prefer the local JD dealers). I was originally only looking at the 2210, but one of the dealers recently told me that I would be foolish not to consider upgrading to the 4010. He feels the 4010 is a much more rugged tractor for the additional $1,000. In particular, he prefers the frame and transmission of the 4010. He tells me that maneuverability is almost identical and that quality of cut is the same.

Since the 4010's deck is more costly than the 2210's, it ends up being almost $2,000 more.

The 4010 has an 18HP versus 22 HP for the 2210. The dealer tells me that 18HP is more than enough for my needs.

What do you guys think?

 

[BillG_in_TX]

Here's a discussion from last year that might be of interest to you.

 

[Bob_In_MN]

Koz,

I was part of the thread BillG linked to. As I recall that was the first encounter between DocsKnotInn and myself. We have since discussed the 2210 vs. 4010 thing a number of times. We have come to agree that we bought our machines for different reasons and both are serving us well.

My opinion is that the 4010 has some higher capabilities in the FEL (Loader) and 3 point hitch. The additional height of the 3 point MAY be of some benefit with CERTAIN 3 PT attachments.

The 2210 puts more HP to the rear and mid PTO's. The rear PTO power issue may come into play in tilling (although I have never run out of power while tilling with the 4010) or running some other 3 PT attachment. I also believe it is probably superior at mowing.

I can't comment on the differences in the transmissions between the two--but would be interesed to find out what they are.

You mention adding a loader in the future. I would make two comments.

1. The fact that you are considering this to be a future choice tells me you don't have major loader work to be done which means the 2210 should be more than sufficient.

2. Get the loader right away. I'd give up my mower deck before I gave up my loader even though the 4010 is my primary mowing machine.

Lastly--test them both and see what feels right. They both weigh about the same, but they really are different tractors. My dealer recommended the 4010 when I was pricing out the X595--the cost difference was $500. I sure glad he made the suggestion to look at the 4010--the X series are nice, but I would have been disappointed given my needs.

Good Luck

Bob

 

[keeney]

Its not clear to me why the big difference in price on the mower decks. Is one bigger?


- Rick

 

[Koz]

The 2210's deck is 62" and is a new design. I believe it is 11 gauge. The 4010's deck is 60", is an old design and is 7 gauge (per verbal info from JD dealer).

 

[EquipmentJunkie]

FYI - 11-gauge is THINNER than 7-gauge. Don't ask me why.
In theory, the 11-gauge is going to be easier to stamp into a mower deck with fancy "wind tunnels" for the cut grass. But, I'd take the heavier deck for the durability.

 

[Hambone]

I like the new style. It is a deeper deck.
Personal preference.
I think it ejects the grass better.

 

[Dutch445]

I would ask your dealer to look up the decks again. My information shows the deck for the 4010 to be the same basic 60" deck that was available on the 445, with the reinforcement rod running the bottom front edge of the deck, and is made of 10 gage steel. The 60 " decks on the 4210-4410 get the newer 7Iron deck. That older 60" deck is quite a deck though, I used to own one, and it is heavy. Here is the Deere info word for word:

60-in. deck, 10-gauge (.134-in. thick) (4010, 4110, 4115, and 4100 Compact Tractors)

 

[bigpete]

Dutch, you are correct. The 60 deck for the 4010 has essentially the same pan and contour as the 60" deck for the 445. The 7-Iron deck is the 7-guage steel, I believe (hence the name...) The 4110 and 4115 also use the same 60" pan as the 445 and 4010, but with different mounting points.

My history is a graduation from 445, to 2210, and now to 4110. I've used all of the decks mentioned with the exception of the 60 on my 4110 (waiting for the grass to grow, as we speak) and can say that both the 62C and the heavy-duty 60" deck cut very well. I actually preferred the cut of the 60" on my 445 over the 62C, but I have always had the mulching kit. That is not to say that the 62C has any issues at all, execept I have heard there is a blow-out condition from the left front of the deck. I did not experience that condition with the mulching kit installed on my 62C.

The 62C is a much lighter deck - 200 pounds vs. 300 pounds. The weight is in the guage of sheet metal but also in the guide wheel supports, leading edge suppports and the complete lack of plastic. Also, both the 60" deck for my 445 and my 62C for my 2210 have plastic belt covers, as opposed to sheet metal with latches for my 4110. No big deal here, though. I will say that the front guide wheels on the 60 decks are bigger and more stout than the 62C. Again, this does not indicate a problem with the 62C--I loved that deck, too.

As far as advice on the original question, you will love the "graduation" no matter which tractor you get. Having worked extensively with the loader on both the 2210 and 4110 (4110 has the same hydraulics and loader as the 4010) I will say that there is a significant loader advantage to the 4010. You can also get a stock folding ROPS with the 4010, and there are a few more luxury options such as cruise control, vibration dampening in the floorboards...no need to repeat the 3PH dynamics and position control vs. a "drop-and-stop" lift on the 2210.

I will repeat that the 2210 is probably a better mowing machine, but I haven't mowed yet with the 4110. The turning radii are virtually identical for the 4010 and 2210, so they should both trim about the same.

SO... try them both, and enjoy!

 

[Charlie_in_TX]

Just something for you to consider.

If you are happy with what the 445 does except the field, keep the 445 and get a tractor to mow the field and FEL work.

2210, IN MY OPINION a FEL dosn't belong on the 2210. The front tires are too small and there is little ground clearance. Put a little weight in the bucket on soft dirt and the axel will be on the ground. The 22hp motor does make a powerful mowing machine.

4010, a step up in FEL work, a step down in mowing.

Both of these machines lack position control. That is something I couldn't get used to.

I would look at doing one of 3 things.

On the cheap end, get a 24hp 4wheel drive Chinese tractor or grey market with a FEL and 5ft brush hog. The 445 finish mowes great. The Chinese/grey tractor will rough mow and FEL FAR better than the 2210 and 4010. On the downside, with the Chinese and greys you have to be prepaired to spin a wrench. The likelyhood of finding a local repairman is small.

In the middle, a used CUT. It will do anything the Chineses/grey will plus have local mechanic.

On the top is a new cut. JD, Kubota, NH, MF, Kioti, Mahindra, Cub (I'm sure there is more but I can't think of them) all make good FEL machines.