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JDGREEN4ME

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I don't even have my tractor yet but I have a question. Would a Woods RB60 (less than 300 pounds) be enough counter weight for a 410 loader on a 4110? or should I put the ballast box on when using the loader? For the most part the ground is level where I will be using it. Thanks!!!
 
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I have a 4100 with HST and use a 410 loader quite often when repairing our dirt road with gravel. I usually have the box blade on as well to level the loads. I have never had any trouble doing this but I keep the loader close to the ground when moving gravel. I think with a heavy load and a sudden stop would tip the tractor and I certainly would not use this setup on hilly or uneven ground.
 
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The 4110 weighs about 1550 pounds plus say 500 pounds give or take for the 410 loader. The capacity of the buck isn't extreme so you may have at the very most 500# going into it and 300-400# ballast should be more than enough. If you are using the bucket to lift dead weight via chain etc. this will change the bucket capacity consideration.

The real test is how it feels overall; steering becomes harder (even with p/s) and rear end lightens then lessen the load. Threal is hold the bucket low when loaded and moving and never above the hood level unless stopped. Watch the hills as all things change with them. Read the loader manual and remember center of gravity
 
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I know this is real long, but a lot of info here..
FYI, we have had Deere refuse warranty on a couple of front end repairs due to the following not being followed

REAR BALLAST REQUIREMENTS
Shown below are minimum rear tractor ballasting requirements for 400 Series Loaders.
Cauton: To help prevent the possibility of personal injury or death caused by tractor/loader rollover, DO NOT operate tractor/loader without liquid ballast in tires at minimum tread setting.

IMPORTANT: Total ballast requirements consist of:
An optional choice for wheel weighting, plus
Mandatory 3-point hitch weight.


410 LOADER—With 4010, 4100, 4110, and 4115 Tractors


Tread Width

Rear Tires with 6 Wheel Weights

Rear Tires with Liquid Ballast

Minimum 3-Point Hitch Ballast

Minimum








4WD, Ag. Tires

X

---

350 kg (770 lb.)


4WD, Turf Tires

X

---

340 kg (750 lb.)


4WD, Bar Tires

X

---

340 kg (750 lb.)


4WD, Ag. Tires

---

X

405 kg (895 lb.)


4WD, Turf Tires

---

X

330 kg (725 lb.)


4WD, Bar Tires

---

X

330 kg (725 lb.)



419 LOADER - With 790 Tractor
Minimum Tread Width - All Tires 1018 mm (40.1-in.)


Tires

Rear Tires Without Liquid Ballast

Rear Tires With Liquid Ballast

Minimum 3-Point Hitch Ballast

Front








5.00-15, 6 PR F2

Loader use not approved

X

280 kg (617 lb.)


25 x 8.50-14, 4 PR R3

Loader use not approved

X

280 kg (617 lb.)


7-14, 6 PR R1

Loader use not approved

X

280 kg (617 lb.)


Rear








11.2-24, 4 PR R1

Loader use not approved

X

280 kg (617 lb.)


13.6-16, 4 PR R3

Loader use not approved

X

280 kg (617 lb.)




420 LOADER—With 4200 and 4210 Tractors


Tread Width

Rear Tires with 6 Wheel Weights

Rear Tires with Liquid Ballast

Minimum 3-Point Hitch Ballast

Less than 1500 mm (59.0-in.)








4WD, All Tires

Loader use not approved

Loader use not approved

---


Greater than 1500 mm (59.0-in.)








4WD, All Tires

X

---

300 kg (661 lb.)


4WD, All Tires

---

X

250 kg (550 lb.)



420 LOADER—With 4300, 4310, 4400, and 4410 Tractors


Tread Width

Rear Tires with 6 Wheel Weights

Rear Tires with Liquid Ballast

Minimum 3-Point Hitch Ballast

Less than 1500 mm (59.0-in.)








4WD, All Tires

Loader use not approved

Loader use not approved

---











Greater than 1500 mm (59.0-in.)








4WD, All Tires

X

---

350 kg (770 lb.)


4WD, All Tires

---

X

250 kg (550 lb.)



420 LOADER—With 870 Tractor


Tread Width

Rear Tires without Ballast

Rear Tires with Liquid Ballast

Minimum 3-Point Hitch Ballast

Minimum








2WD, Ag. Tires

Loader use not approved

X

450 kg (990 lb.)


4WD, Ag. Tires

Loader use not approved

X

400 kg (882 lb.)


2WD, Turf Tires

Loader use not approved

X

310 kg (683 lb.)


4WD, Turf Tires

Loader use not approved

X

290 kg (640 lb.)


Maximum








2WD, Ag. Tires

Loader use not approved

X

260 kg (573 lb.)


4WD, Ag. Tires

Loader use not approved

X

200 kg (441 lb.)


2WD, Turf Tires

Loader use not approved

X

180 kg (397 lb.)


4WD, Turf Tires

Loader use not approved

X

170 kg (375 lb.)



430 LOADER—With 4300, 4310, 4400, and 4410 Tractors


Tread Width

Rear Tires with Liquid Ballast

Rear Tires with Liquid Ballast and Six Wheel Weights

Minimum 3-Point Hitch Ballast

Less than 1500 mm (59.0-in.)








All Tires

Loader use not approved

Loader use not approved

---


Greater than 1500 mm (59.0-in.)








All Tires

X

---

600 kg (1320 lb.)


All Tires

---

X

550 kg (1210 lb.)



430 LOADER—With 970, 990, and 1070 Tractors


Tread Width

Rear Tires without Ballast

Rear Tires with Liquid Ballast

Minimum 3-Point Hitch Ballast

Minimum








2WD, Ag. Tires

Loader use not approved

Loader use not approved

---


4WD, Ag. Tires

Loader use not approved

X

400 kg (880 lb.)


2WD, Turf Tires

Loader use not approved

X

240 kg (530 lb.)


4WD, Turf Tires

Loader use not approved

X

235 kg (520 lb.)


Maximum








2WD, Ag. Tires

Loader use not approved

X

350 kg (770 lb.)


4WD, Ag. Tires

Loader use not approved

X

400 kg (880 lb.)


2WD, Turf Tires

Loader use not approved

X

240 kg (530 lb.)


4WD, Turf Tires

Loader use not approved

X

235 kg (520 lb.)



460 LOADER—With 4500, 4510, 4600, 4610, 4700, and 4710 Tractors


Tread Width

Rear Tires with Liquid Ballast

Rear Tires with Liquid Ballast and Six Wheel Weights

Minimum 3-Point Hitch Ballast

Less than 1600 mm (63.0-in.)








All Tires

Loader use not approved

Loader use not approved

---


Greater than 1600 mm (63.0-in.)








All Tires

---

X

600 kg (1320 lb.)



ADDING BALLAST TO 3-POINT HITCH
Weight can be added to the ballast box by adding material such as sand, concrete, or portland cement. If more weight is required, tractor Quik-Tatch weights may be used. A ballast box extension is available to increase capacity of box. See Attachments section.



A 3-point-hitch-mounted implement may be used as ballast, but it must meet weight requirements of the ballast chart. See your John Deere dealer.

CALCULATED BALLAST

UNIT


SAND


CONCRETE


PORTLAND CEMENT



Empty Ballast Box


40 kg (88 lb.)


40 kg (88 lb.)


40 kg (88 lb.)



Ballast


240 kg (528 lb.)


314 kg (692 lb.)


420 kg (926 lb.)



Empty Extension


3.6 kg (8 lb.)


3.6 kg (8 lb.)


3.6 kg (8 lb.)



Ballast with Extension


80 kg (176 lb.)


104 kg (230 lb.)


140 kg (308 lb.)



Total Weight


363.6 kg (800 lb.)


461.6 kg (1018 lb.)


603.6 kg (1330 lb.)





If the loader is equipped with a forklift or round bale fork attachment, additional ballast is required on the 3-point hitch.

TRACTOR


ADDITIONAL BALLAST



870


85 kg (187 lb.)



4100


85 kg (187 lb.)
 
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I have a 4010 with a 410 loader with a ballast box and 60" MMM. I have always used my ballast box except for one occasion. With the ballast box (480 lbs) my tractor has never had the rear end come off the ground. Without the ballast box the rear did not come off the ground while loading but while moving across fairly even ground the back end would get light but it never came off the ground. With all of that being said I don't think you will have any problem since the blade sticks out further than the ballast box. What I think you will lose out on is traction. With only 18 HP I lose traction before I lose power. If I had more money I would probably fill the tires with fluid and buy a boxblade. When working on a dirt pile the ballast box sometimes catches on the ground.

I have given you my observations I hope they help in your decison. If anybody knows how much weight you would gain from filling the tires on a 4010/ 4110/4115 (I think they are all the same tire size) I would be interested to know.

I thought of something else. I can generally get about a 500 to 550 lb load per bucket (that maxes it out). My brother-in-law who lives next door(across the field) has a scale for his spreader trucks so it is easy for me to weigh everything. I would think you would be able to lift a little more with a 4110 since the GPM is higher but again I don't know that for sure.

Brent
 
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with a 4010 it varys with the tire
bar type 8-16 9 gallons = 75 lbs plain water
turf 29x12.5-15 - 10.5 gallons = 84 lbs
industrial 10-16.5 17 gallons = 142 lbs
these are approx figures.
this is at 3/4 full with nothing to prevent freezing

you have to also understand that the weight on the back isn't only to keep the rear on the ground, but to also take some of the total load off the front, if you've ever seen the insides of the little 4000 series front axle, it isn't made to carry the load
you might put on it with the rear running very light.
you could find yourself with a very nasty, very expensive non-warranty repair, that can quickly run over $1000.00.
Not trying to scare ya, but you can ask too much from these
smaller tractors before you know it. It doen't say CATAPILLER
on the hood !
 
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The good news is I have 400+ pounds of ballast in my ballast box. I had thought about filling my tires but I don't think that will be enough weight. I have R4's/industrial's and I dont think 300 pounds in the tires equals the 300 pounds in the ballast box, seeing as it is so much further to the rear. Thanks for the info.

Brent
 
 
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